Originally posted by RIGHTONMYSIDE
to our knowledge . yet hulk is the perfect character to be written exceeding all previous ( not including onslaught) levels of physical power to kick his ass. its what hulks character was created to do. the physically impossible and unbelievable and downright incredible
And yet, all the evidence that we have to go on says that the Hulk will do absolutely nothing to the Juggernaut.
That leads us to the conclusion that either;
A) The Juggernaut will knock the Hulk out before the Hulk becomes enraged to a sufficient level.
or
B) The Juggernaut will NOT knock the Hulk out before the Hulk becomes enraged enough to compete. At this point, the fight becomes an endless stalemate.
perhaps but the both of them have never had an all out fight to the end except as war when juggie was owned. ultimate hulk is a more poerful character than th classic hulk that has fluctuated too much over time. and hulk can be written as powerful as u like without breaking character. im right u know im right and u cant bring yourself to accept that
juggie was well and truly owned by war in every department.. theres no argument there lest you are totally retarded ( which remains a possibility). however ultimate hulk is clearly the top in the ultimate universe when it comes down to pure brute strength and brawling. im afraid its more than possible knowing hulks character history and how he was concieved as a character in the first place , to have him over power the cyttorak enchantment , should the story rquire that without being out opf character or bad writing. hulks strength is designed to be able to do the impossible. the incredible
The scans have already been posted. Arguing against scanned material is like arguing that two doesn't equal two. It's ignorant, stupid, and a waste of time.
Meh - Ultimate Hulk's done NOTHING that 616 couldn't do faster or better.
But that's okay. You're either an ignorant troll, or a retarded sock. Either way....
dur.
Originally posted by Soljer
1. Edit function.2. Juggernaut cannot be harmed through sheer physical force.
3. All the Hulks have to offer is sheer physical force.
2 + 3 =
4. Stalemate, or Juggernaut wins. No other outcome could possibly be reached, assuming no telepaths are nearby.
thats about right... btw for those who say (either way) that 1 of em threw the other 100+ miles or into a mountain or something like that... keep in mind each of them doesnt weigh over half a ton each... and both are more than capable of throwing that
No matter how angry and strong any version of Hulk gets he will NEVER hurt the classic juggernaut, he has NEVER been hurt by physical means meaning there in no evidence that he can be hurt. Speculating that the Hulk can get angry enough to get past Juggernauts force field is completely asinine IMO. If no one has hurt classic Juggernaut on panel by physical means, then we must assume he CANNOT be hurt by physical means. The End
Hulk would eventually pimp Cyttorak, if Cyttorak was stupid enough to keep the charm going.
Hulk = infinite power, in a limited but still potent manifestation, ie ever increasing strength, reflexes, healing, regeneration, invulnerability...
it's simply absurd to believe anything could stand a continued physical tussle with The Hulk, without some plot device limiting The Hulk's exponential increases in power.
and as others have mentioned, Hulk has often done the "impossible" (and with regards to juggernaut, he's overhyped and over blown, he's not truly invulnerable - physically or otherwise - just highly resistent), confounding celestials, elders, cosmics and others... always proving to be beyond any established physical limits.
Originally posted by Soljer
No. He isn't.Also - the Juggernauts 'character parameters' allow him to be unharmed by any level of physical power.
Meaning there IS no level of physical power that will harm him, to our knowledge.
do you not feel embarassed by the obvious contradiction of a LIMITED "creator" (Cyttorak) bestowing "unlimited" power to a creation?
Hulk is powered by a whole other universe, he is truly infinite in potential. he can, reasonably, access and expend an incalculable and superior - note, SUPERIOR - level of energy to Cyttorak.
unless Hulk can be prevented from exponentially growing and adapting, Cyttorak doesn't stand a chance, nevermind juggernaut, in a physical confrontation.
even with magic, it's doubtfull that Cyttorak could put Hulk down.
Originally posted by janus77
ridiculous, absurd and stupid.
can you really believe this?do you not feel embarassed by the obvious contradiction of a LIMITED "creator" (Cyttorak) bestowing "unlimited" power to a creation?
Hulk is powered by a whole other universe, he is truly infinite in potential. he can, reasonably, access and expend an incalculable and superior - note, SUPERIOR - level of energy to Cyttorak.
unless Hulk can be prevented from exponentially growing and adapting, Cyttorak doesn't stand a chance, nevermind juggernaut, in a physical confrontation.
even with magic, it's doubtfull that Cyttorak could put Hulk down.
Cyttorak = Galactus >>> Universe. 😖hifty:.
Hulk is powered by a Universe.
Juggernaut is powered by Cyttorak - who is much more powerful than a universe.
The idea that a being with a limited power source (I.E. a universe) would surpass another being with a limited, but much greater power source (I.E. Cyttorak) is "ridiculous, absurd and stupid."
🙄.
Originally posted by RIGHTONMYSIDE
perhaps but the both of them have never had an all out fight to the end except as war when juggie was owned. ultimate hulk is a more poerful character than th classic hulk that has fluctuated too much over time. and hulk can be written as powerful as u like without breaking character. im right u know im right and u cant bring yourself to accept that
Your practically wrong throughout this thread.
Originally posted by Soljer
Cyttorak = Galactus >>> Universe. 😖hifty:.Hulk is powered by a Universe.
Juggernaut is powered by Cyttorak - who is much more powerful than a universe.
The idea that a being with a limited power source (I.E. a universe) would surpass another being with a limited, but much greater power source (I.E. Cyttorak) is "ridiculous, absurd and stupid."
🙄.
Originally posted by janus77
Hulk would eventually pimp Cyttorak, if Cyttorak was stupid enough to keep the charm going.Hulk = infinite power, in a limited but still potent manifestation, ie ever increasing strength, reflexes, healing, regeneration, invulnerability...
it's simply absurd to believe anything could stand a continued physical tussle with The Hulk, without some plot device limiting The Hulk's exponential increases in power.
and as others have mentioned, Hulk has often done the "impossible" (and with regards to juggernaut, he's overhyped and over blown, he's not truly invulnerable - physically or otherwise - just highly resistent), confounding celestials, elders, cosmics and others... always proving to be beyond any established physical limits.
You fail at KMC. 👇 Hulk is POTENTIALLY INFINITE. Classic Juggernaut on the other hand, IS ACTUALLY INFINITE. Juggernaut cannot be beaten in a slugfest. Hulk has been beaten many many times in fistfights.
Alot of Hulk's strength feats are either BS or comic book physics. Which isn't to say all his strength feats are BS, but when you start believing he can actually punch through a time storm, etc, etc, then you need to put the crack pipe down. 😛
And for the hell of it, a scan showing all Hulk fans who's his boss.
Apoc's ***** says what? 😆
(sniffs nose..) mmm i smell hulk fanboyz, well at least they aint supe fans... ppl forget that Cyttorak IS strength.... his str is unlimited and is invulnerable to ANY physical attack, unfortunately for hulk, he isnt invulnerable and his str is potentially unlimited, besides that.... that applys only for classic juggs/8th day/trion.... current would be slay in .5 seconds....