WE are talking about De Sidious here right,
In this discussion? Yes. In the thread itself? No, that's RotS Sidious. And even though their number is few, there are characters who would give DE Sidious a very good fight or defeat him. I think that the ones I mentioned would - at the very, very least - make him work for his victory.
not ROTJ or ROTS one, and Exar Kun and Bane are not as good as Yoda,
Yoda was the most powerful Jedi ever prior to Luke, yes, but Bane and Kun are Sith. They'd give Yoda one hell of a time, and they are equipped with the means to beat him. Whether they'd be able to or not is a different story.
who was ROTS Sidious equal in Force mastery, ROTJ Sidious is even stronger, not to mention DE Sidious and Marka Ragnos is to much of unknown.
This is true, but what we know about Ragnos does indeed make him one of the very most powerful Sith ever.
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The fact that he is weaker than the both of them in either swordsmanship and Force strength is very well known.
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While I don't necessarily dispute Revan's ability to keep Yoda busy, since he is a glorified tactition [though Yoda was, actually, one of the Republic's foremost strategists himself],
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No, sorry. Revan is lesser than RotS Sidious. DE Sidious is quite a bit above RotJ Sidious, who is a fair bit stronger than RotS Sidious. Do the math. Revan has no chance.
Revan knows some techniques that are very effective in single combat scenarios like Force Wave, Force Destruction, Death Field and Force Lightning Storm. You surely underestimate Revan a lot.
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Yes. Revan just doesn't happen to be one of them [DE Sidious].
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Exar Kun? Marka Ragnos? Bane?
Marka Ragnos? What impressive feats he had demonstrated that make him so uber apart from ruling for a long period?
Bane? A person who discovered Revan's holocron and he clearly indicated that Revan's knowledge surpassed the entirety of Korriban Academy's archives. It was through Revan's training that Bane acquired the strength, power, and enough knowledge to up-lift the Sith once again and destroy the Brotherhood of Darkness.
I think that Revan deserves some credit? Does he not?
I can safely say that Anakin Skywalker is considerably weaker then both Yoda and Sidious in the case of Force Mastery but I cannot say the same thing about Revan. His Force Mastery is above that of Dooku and Dooku nearly stalemated Yoda in a Force Contest in Geonosis.
While I genuinely consider Revan's Force powers to be above Count Dooku's, your attitude on the issue makes me want to ask if you can prove it or not.
As for the Yoda v. Dooku dispute, put it into perspective before you comment. Dooku didn't "nearly stalemate" Yoda; he used the Force against Yoda, and Yoda repelled all attacks and once attacked on his own accord. Incidentally, that was when Dooku decided to shift from Force powers to lightsabers. This is also when Yoda, clearly, was not itching or willing to kill Dooku at that point. Do the math, LeGenD.
Don’t try to give people lectures about how weak Revan is and especially regarding his Saber Combat prowess when you know nothing about it.
I'd tell you to do the same thing, y'know, stick to debates that you're knowledgeable in. But that would leave you just with Revan, wouldn't it?
Revan was a master practitoner of Jar Kai Combat style and was declared to be a Prodigy.
[sarcasm] Are you serious? Revan was a prodigy? No waaaaayyyy. That makes him unique for sure! [/sarcasm]
Let's try that again: being a prodigy means jack shit when you're being compared to another one. Dooku was also described as a prodigy, and 'one of the most powerful Jedi masters in the history of the Order', as well as 'an even greater Dark Lord of the Sith'. Blah blah blah. Revan's prodigious talent doesn't make him unique in any respect.
Revan is more then a glorified tactician. He is also the single greatest warrior of his age.
That's nice, notice how I'm not disputing that and give Revan the edge in tactical ability. Really, do you try to fellate him every chance you get? Even when it requires you to bring up a point that I'm not arguing, but rather agreeing with?
ROTJ Sidious is not fair bit stronger then ROTS Sidious and if he really is, do mention some feats that would determine this.
He annihilated about fifty Stormtroopers on Coruscant with a single blast of lightning; he reduced three powerful Sith acolytes [who were capable of 'resurrecting' and controlling Darth Maul] to ash with a one-handed gout of lightning; and he spent twenty years using the Empire's resources and power to recover Sith artifacts and bury himself in study of the Dark Side.
Revan knows some techniques that are very effective in single combat scenarios like Force Wave, Force Destruction, Death Field and Force Lightning Storm.
That's nice. What the hell is Force Destruction and Death Field aside from game mechanic?
You surely underestimate Revan a lot.
Actually, my most heated argument was with Allankles in defense of Revan and his power. You simply overestimate him.
And no one else is apart from Luke Skywalker.
Maybe.
Exar Kun? Revan is considered to be on par with him.
Prove it.
Marka Ragnos? What impressive feats he had demonstrated that make him so uber apart from ruling for a long period?
He kept a vast amount of Ancient Sith (who were in possession of technology that allowed them to perform feats that dwarf Revan's own) in line for over a century, in which they all feared and respected him.
Bane? A person who discovered Revan's holocron and he clearly indicated that Revan's knowledge surpassed the entirety of Korriban Academy's archives. It was through Revan's training that Bane acquired the strength, power, and enough knowledge to up-lift the Sith once again and destroy the Brotherhood of Darkness.
That's cool, but that doesn't make Revan > Bane. That made his knowledge better (at least for a time). If knowledge = power, Yoda is above everybody in Star Wars. Actually Arden Lynn, one of Palpatine's lackeys (who is over 25,000 years old) is a god.
I think that Revan deserves some credit? Does he not?
I think I've given Revan the credit he deserves. You give him much more.