Ontario Liberals refuse to accept responsibility in slush fund scandal.

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Ontario Liberals refuse to accept responsibility in slush fund scandal.

Toronto - In a rare show of unity, Ontario's opposition parties banded together Tuesday to demand the provincial auditor investigate a growing scandal surrounding what they allege is a Liberal political slush fund.

"I believe that at the heart of what we're here to do is to oversee the proper and responsible allocation of taxpayers' money," said Conservative Leader John Tory. "We're just asking him (Auditor General Jim McCarter) to embolden himself and take this on."

For the past few weeks, opposition New Democrats and Conservatives have trained a laser-like focus on an unnamed program that handed out about $32 million over the past two years without formal application processes or oversight.

"That is the classic definition of a slush fund, where a minister gets to dole something out, no questions asked," said Tory.

The program was supposed to be aimed at immigrant-settlement organizations. However, in several cases, grants were directed to organizations with Liberal ties.

For instance, $200,000 was handed to an Iranian-Canadian organization that boasted a Liberal candidate, a Liberal riding association president and a good friend of Liberal Finance Minister Greg Sorbara on its board. All seven board members had donated to the party, records show.

This week it was also revealed that the government gave $250,000 to the Chinese Professionals Association of Canada. One of its directors was a former adviser to Citizenship and Immigration Minister Mike Colle.

New Democrat Leader Howard Hampton said the joint request to the auditor general represents an "unprecedented" level of co-operation by the two opposition parties. "I think it indicates the gravity of the situation," he added.

Hampton noted that the spending program was not publicly advertised, effectively shutting the door on hundreds of legitimate organizations working with immigrants.

"It would appear a significant amount of money went to groups that have a limited history in the community but are very closely tied to the McGuinty Liberal party," he told reporters. "And we think the public deserves a full accounting."

An investigation by the provincial auditor can be triggered by a resolution of the legislature or a motion by the public accounts committee. Colle could also request that the auditor to take a look at one of his programs. However, the minister appeared reluctant to do so, noting the auditor has the authority to examine any government ministry he chooses.

Premier Dalton McGuinty, meanwhile, stood by his minister Tuesday. He dismissed as a mere intern the Colle staff member who sat on the board of the Chinese organization that had secured a generous grant.

The premier also said the government made changes to the program after it became an issue in the legislature.

Observers say McGuinty has been consistent in fending off demands for the heads of his cabinet ministers. For instance, he refused to axe former transportation minister Harinder Takhar and Infrastructure Minister David Caplan when they found themselves in hot water. Only Finance Minister Greg Sorbara, who was implicated and subsequently cleared in a criminal investigation, stepped aside for a time. He later returned to cabinet.

"They stand by their man," said pollster Greg Lyle, managing director of Innovative Research Group. "Because if nobody resigns then what sort of scandal was it? If somebody resigns then it must have been true."

Ottawa Citizen

I thinks it's also worthy to note that the public was not made aware that there was money available, nor were organizations given notice or allowed to apply. And there was now review process, they weren't investigated as to how they were going to use the money either. How it was done is that the Premier asked members of his party to put forth names. They also directly lied to certain organizations that asked if there was grant money available like a Hindu temple in Toronto that was burned down post 9/11.

And so far the liberal party has ducked the issue, refused to call for the auditor general to over look their books or for any investigation.

This is twice within the last 3 years the liberal party has been involved in financial scandal. I hope they don't win the next election.

No one cares about Canada.

God, you love pumping this forum full of your Canadian political, pet hates don't you?

Originally posted by BackFire
No one cares about Canada.

There's allot of Canadian members, are we not allowed to post things we care about as well?

Of course you're allowed. I didn't close the thread, did I?

Let's just wait and see. If it's true then the people responsible should definitely be fired. At this moment in time however they are still investigating and I think that should be allowed to finish before any final decisions are made.

Well it's kind of rude to say no one cares about my country. I care and I assume other Canadian members care.

I apologize for echoing the sentiments of the rest of the world.

At least we aren't hated like the US, I have cousins in the US who have taken trips to other countries and they are told if asked to say they are Canadians so they will be received better.

All I want to know is....

...this won't affect the production of Maple Syrup...right?

😛

Originally posted by Starhawk
At least we aren't hated like the US, I have cousins in the US who have taken trips to other countries and they are told if asked to say they are Canadians so they will be received better.

They shouldn't worry about how stupid people treat them.

Originally posted by BackFire
I apologize for echoing the sentiments of the rest of the world.

one of the very few things I dislike about being Canadian is how apathetic our nation seems to be when it comes to trying to lead the world in something.

Military, economy, science, progressiveness, ect. We are sort of middle of the pack (or at the bottom in terms of military) for all of them...

Originally posted by inimalist
one of the very few things I dislike about being Canadian is how apathetic our nation seems to be when it comes to trying to lead the world in something.

Military, economy, science, progressiveness, ect. We are sort of middle of the pack (or at the bottom in terms of military) for all of them...

Let's be honest here, how much could Canada do? It's better to be average on all fronts then to rule in one and suck in another, yeah I know it's not really nice to hear that but an overall high score is still better then any smaller high score.

Originally posted by inimalist
one of the very few things I dislike about being Canadian is how apathetic our nation seems to be when it comes to trying to lead the world in something.

Military, economy, science, progressiveness, ect. We are sort of middle of the pack (or at the bottom in terms of military) for all of them...

Do you agree with me about the liberal slush fund?

Originally posted by Fishy
Let's be honest here, how much could Canada do? It's better to be average on all fronts then to rule in one and suck in another, yeah I know it's not really nice to hear that but an overall high score is still better then any smaller high score.

I do agree in part

However, I'm not necessarily interested in mediocrity.

And we generally have no voice internationally.

Lol, maybe its just being the mouse in bed with the elephant

Originally posted by inimalist
I do agree in part

However, I'm not necessarily interested in mediocrity.

And we generally have no voice internationally.

Lol, maybe its just being the mouse in bed with the elephant

My country has the same problem, it sucks but it really isn't that bad compared to other country's... We have no real choice

Originally posted by Starhawk
Do you agree with me about the liberal slush fund?

I think all major political parties see taxes and funds as their own little piggy bank of ways to consolidate power.

The idea that someone is receiving a government kickback is hardly surprising and not at all a Liberal issue to me.

The problem is that this will just be another meme that is thrown around at election time, each party has their past indiscretions, and the slander tends to just cancel out in the minds of Canadian voters (attack adds haven't been to successful up here until recently, but not nearly on the scale as they are in the states).

There is complete ambivalence to the idea of accountability to the people of a country by governments. Nobody wants to enact the laws, or enforce them, since it destroys the ability of that party to use such effective tools in holding power. So ya I don't like it, but corruption is a built in problem with any system run by people.

Originally posted by Fishy
My country has the same problem, it sucks but it really isn't that bad compared to other country's... We have no real choice

no, we don't have it bad at all, and by in large I love Canada.

its just envy to be one of the big guys I'm sure 🙂

I know there's nothing new about scandals, but the fact that they outright lied to charities and organizations meanwhile supporting ones connected to them makes me even more upset about this incident. The liberal party has fallen far from what it used to be.

Hmm....good ol' Liberals. 😛

Seriously though, whether the scandal be true or not, I have to ask:
Is anyone actually surprised that they'd be unwilling to accept responsibility? 😕
I mean, its such a widely used tactic, especially in Canadian politics, that I barely notice any more.

Originally posted by BackFire
No one cares about Canada.

This reaction didn't surprise me. Canada is seen as the U.S.'s b!tch worldwide, and, unless we can do something to change this perception, we'll always be viewed thus. 🙂
Just take comfort in the fact that we know the truth....or a version of it.... 😈