who can beat gorgon (wolverine villian)

Originally posted by carver9
You really need to do some research on gorgon. Gorgon would mud stomp captain america, us agent, any of the americas. By the way you dont know what youre talking about with the wolverine fights against captain america. Wolverine has 2 wins and a stalemate. Cap knows himself that he cant beat wolverine because he has said it numerous of times.

Captain america has no way of beating gorgon and anyone can tell you that and due to gorgon fighting ability being on par with cap and gorgon having the ability to know caps every move before he do it and gorgon having superhuman (not peak human) speed, gorgon wins this 10/10. Gorgon dont even need his stare to beat captain america.

I cant believe you think that cap even stands a chance against gorgon. So your basically saying that cap can take on wolverine and elektra at the same time and come out on top. Yeah right. He cant even take a win from wolverine. Gorgon>>captain america. The only thing that they have that is on the same level is fighting skills, the rest would over whelm captain america. Gorgon on a bad day would kill captain america and Im not even a gorgon fan, I actually hate the guy.

so you show me 2 clear wins, and you got it.

Originally posted by Grimm22
Gorgon isn't going to be mind-raping anyone 😐

There is no attack that Gorgon has that can even come close to hurting guys like Colossus, Thing, Herc, Thor, ect...

Plus, as long as they don't look directly at him his eyes aren't a threat.

Well i guess its a stalemate since they wont be hitting gorgon either. In order for them to win they would have to look at someone like gorgon and gorgon has enough strength and speed to toss everyone you named around through a couple of buildings getting them mad enough to want to open there eyes to want to hit there target. His strength is 15 to 20 tons.

Originally posted by carver9
Well i guess its a stalemate since they wont be hitting gorgon either. In order for them to win they would have to look at someone like gorgon and gorgon has enough strength and speed to toss everyone you named around through a couple of buildings getting them mad enough to want to open there eyes to want to hit there target. His strength is 15 to 20 tons.

Originally posted by carver9
Well i guess its a stalemate since they wont be hitting gorgon either. In order for them to win they would have to look at someone like gorgon and gorgon has enough strength and speed to toss everyone you named around through a couple of buildings getting them mad enough to want to open there eyes to want to hit there target. His strength is 15 to 20 tons.

*ahem* Thunderclap *ahem* 😐

Originally posted by Hercules
Hulk has resisted being turned to Stone by the Grey Gargoyle (He kept on coming and busted out IIRC) and that was Grey Hulk.

Herc has fought Blindfold before against his own son who was as strong as he was (alternate future admitedly)

Thor used to tangle with Grey Gargoyle and seeing as hes not a statue must have some resistance to being turned to stone.

If Gorgan can take anyone below Herald level (or in Thor's case Herald level) why is he in the bush leagues tangling with Logan and street levelers?

Who say that gargoyle and gorgon powers works the same. Gorgon powers requires you to look at him and you become stone, grey gargoyle requires physical contact and hulk is very resistant to anything physical.

To the herc issue. That was a bad example because he would need his eyes to fight gorgon since herc did lose to wolverine using his eyes. Now if youre telling me that herc fights better with a blind fold on then he is going to lose this battle if he dont look at his opponent. Well he would still lose both ways I guess.

Thor avoided grey gargoyle touch the entire fight, he would have turned to stone but as i stated before, gargoyle and gorgon powers are totally different.

To your last statement about gorgon fighting wolverine. Who havent fought wolverine and lost. Namor, hulk, apocalypse, magneto, xmen, xfactor, alpha flight, grey hulk, wendigo, cable, etc.... Majority everyone that I have name are top tier but this has nothing to do with wolverine, this has something to do with surviving gorgon eyes or just staying there taking a beat down from someone that could read your mind and know what moves your going to make before you do it.

Originally posted by King KAM
i never saw gorgon lift that much.....

I never saw juggernaut lift 100 tons but marvel says that he has unlimited strength.

Originally posted by Grimm22
*ahem* Thunderclap *ahem* 😐

*ahem* Wolverine stood right in the middle of hulks thunderclap that broke the ground into pieces and it did nothing to him.

*ahem* wont work.

*ahem* fake his death, have them open there eyes to check and see is he dead or passed out and when he read there thoughts and know that theyre eyes are opened, open his eyes and theyre pure stone. *ahem*.

Originally posted by carver9
Who say that gargoyle and gorgon powers works the same. Gorgon powers requires you to look at him and you become stone, grey gargoyle requires physical contact and hulk is very resistant to anything physical.

To the herc issue. That was a bad example because he would need his eyes to fight gorgon since herc did lose to wolverine using his eyes. Now if youre telling me that herc fights better with a blind fold on then he is going to lose this battle if he dont look at his opponent. Well he would still lose both ways I guess.

Thor avoided grey gargoyle touch the entire fight, he would have turned to stone but as i stated before, gargoyle and gorgon powers are totally different.

To your last statement about gorgon fighting wolverine. Who havent fought wolverine and lost. Namor, hulk, apocalypse, magneto, xmen, xfactor, alpha flight, grey hulk, wendigo, cable, etc.... Majority everyone that I have name are top tier but this has nothing to do with wolverine, this has something to do with surviving gorgon eyes or just staying there taking a beat down from someone that could read your mind and know what moves your going to make before you do it.

Gargoyle TURNED Hulk to stone and Hulk busted through it.

Its not a bad example, Herc was taking class 100 hits from his son while Blindfolded Gorgon can't hit that hard.

Your using ABC logic, Hercules ran over Wolverine, Spiderwoman and Iron man in his own mini and dodged a wolverine blow, saying Wolverine has a win over Herc, Namor etc etc so Gorgon beats them based on beating Logan doesn't work.

Also, anyone with a mirror in front of their face when he stares for the win.

A deer has a win over Logan, so I guess that means a deer can beat all the people on the list too?

If Gorgon is so good at reading the minds of his opponents, how come he couldn't predict when Wolverine was going to put his claws in front of his face and reflect his stare?

Johnny Sorrow or Darkseid could take him.

Originally posted by Hercules
Gargoyle TURNED Hulk to stone and Hulk busted through it.

Its not a bad example, Herc was taking class 100 hits from his son while Blindfolded Gorgon can't hit that hard.

Your using ABC logic, Hercules ran over Wolverine, Spiderwoman and Iron man in his own mini and dodged a wolverine blow, saying Wolverine has a win over Herc, Namor etc etc so Gorgon beats them based on beating Logan doesn't work.

Also, anyone with a mirror in front of their face when he stares for the win.

A deer has a win over Logan, so I guess that means a deer can beat all the people on the list too?

If Gorgon is so good at reading the minds of his opponents, how come he couldn't predict when Wolverine was going to put his claws in front of his face and reflect his stare?

Oh, i have so many corrections to make but I would like to start with the deer comment. Was wolverine actually fighting against the deer and lost example: was he fighting against the deer like he fight the hulk, wendigo, sabertooth, etc... and lost are was he sneaking up on the deer or walking up on the deer and got kicked. He wasnt tangoing with the deer so i wish people stop bring that up.

Now I need to know, what does herc taking 100 ton hits have to do with anything. Hulk can be blind folded and take 100 ton hits but if you have someone that is VEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEERY skilled and can dodge you and is grabbing you and throwing you into building. Punching you with 15 to 20 ton punches, and using pressure point hits on you, your going to acknowledge it and try to defend yourself but having a blind fold on against a major fighter like gorgon that can read your every move by entering you mind isnt going to help you.

In this fight, I didnt say that people can carry around purses and pull out a mirror and use it against gorgon. So thats out of the question.

Hulk has ran over wolverine and some of the other xmen but when hulk fights wolverine one on one its a totally different story. Apocalypse ran through the xmen but when he faced wolverine on his own, lets take a sneak peek and see what happens
http://www.killermovies.com/forums/attachment.php?s=&postid=4741372
http://www.killermovies.com/forums/attachment.php?s=&postid=4741382

and again gargoyle and gorgon powers work entirely different. Thats like saying that cyclops and superman powers does the same thing.

Originally posted by carver9
http://www.killermovies.com/forums/attachment.php?s=&postid=4741372
http://www.killermovies.com/forums/attachment.php?s=&postid=4741382

Originally posted by carver9
Oh, i have so many corrections to make but I would like to start with the deer comment. Was wolverine actually fighting against the deer and lost example: was he fighting against the deer like he fight the hulk, wendigo, sabertooth, etc... and lost are was he sneaking up on the deer or walking up on the deer and got kicked. He wasnt tangoing with the deer so i wish people stop bring that up.

Now I need to know, what does herc taking 100 ton hits have to do with anything. Hulk can be blind folded and take 100 ton hits but if you have someone that is VEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEERY skilled and can dodge you and is grabbing you and throwing you into building. Punching you with 15 to 20 ton punches, and using pressure point hits on you, your going to acknowledge it and try to defend yourself but having a blind fold on against a major fighter like gorgon that can read your every move by entering you mind isnt going to help you.

In this fight, I didnt say that people can carry around purses and pull out a mirror and use it against gorgon. So thats out of the question.

Hulk has ran over wolverine and some of the other xmen but when hulk fights wolverine one on one its a totally different story. Apocalypse ran through the xmen but when he faced wolverine on his own, lets take a sneak peek and see what happens
http://www.killermovies.com/forums/attachment.php?s=&postid=4741372
http://www.killermovies.com/forums/attachment.php?s=&postid=4741382

Your still using ABC logic

The mirror thing was a joke

My point was and still is that your saying a class ten guy is going to be wearing a class 100 guy down unless he stares at them Herc was taking harder shots and still didn't feel the need to look.

Hes also a better hand to hand combatant than your giving him credit for and of course one on one fights are going to be a different story than one guy taking on a team.

Same amount of pages to fill only two combatants = a longer and closer fight to fill them.

Your main argument is that he can take anyone based on his TP and staring at them, yet he couldn't predict that Wolverine was going to block his stare with his claws.

Hes never shown the ability to mind rape anyone, yet you have stated he could and saying hes taking down Thor with his stare is unblievable seeing as Thor could somone a few lightning bolts without look directly at him.

Or is he dodging those too now?

Have you noticed yet that your the only one arguing that hes taking out class 100's and herald level characters?

And how is he taking down Prof X who could quite literaly take him down with his eyes closed using his VASTLY superior tp?

Or cyclops who wears glasses which would reflect the stare, besides the fact that an optic blast is going to blow Gorgan's head off if hes trying to look into his eyes to turn him to stone.

I'm done with this thread now cause It makes me sad. 😐

Originally posted by carver9
and again gargoyle and gorgon powers work entirely different. Thats like saying that cyclops and superman powers does the same thing.

Sorry not done.

Say what now?

They both turn people to stone, only the method they do it is different, Hulk resisted it, thats canon and a fact.

You saying that he can't resist Gorgons power is niether canon nor fact, just speculation on your part.

Originally posted by Hercules
Your still using ABC logic

The mirror thing was a joke

My point was and still is that your saying a class ten guy is going to be wearing a class 100 guy down unless he stares at them Herc was taking harder shots and still didn't feel the need to look.

Hes also a better hand to hand combatant than your giving him credit for and of course one on one fights are going to be a different story than one guy taking on a team.

Same amount of pages to fill only two combatants = a longer and closer fight to fill them.

Your main argument is that he can take anyone based on his TP and staring at them, yet he couldn't predict that Wolverine was going to block his stare with his claws.

Hes never shown the ability to mind rape anyone, yet you have stated he could and saying hes taking down Thor with his stare is unblievable seeing as Thor could somone a few lightning bolts without look directly at him.

Or is he dodging those too now?

Have you noticed yet that your the only one arguing that hes taking out class 100's and herald level characters?

And how is he taking down Prof X who could quite literaly take him down with his eyes closed using his VASTLY superior tp?

Or cyclops who wears glasses which would reflect the stare, besides the fact that an optic blast is going to blow Gorgan's head off if hes trying to look into his eyes to turn him to stone.

I'm done with this thread now cause It makes me sad. 😐

I understand entirely what youre saying and Im not trying to make you mad.

I never said that he could take down professor x. I dont think that anyone could take out professor below herald level but your still not understanding what Im telling you. Ok gorgon powers arent to mind rape you, he isnt that kind of tp, he has the power to read your mind and determine what moves your about to do next, example; lets say if thor is think about throwing a lightning bolt, gorgon has read thors mind and know what he is about to do and would be able to evade it before it happens.

In the comic where gorgon and wolverine fought, you do know that wolverine has psy blocks for 1 but thats not what helped him, wolverine went animal and didnt have a mind for gorgon to read and he also said that gorgon knocked elektras tp blocks out that was given to them by shield that why he was able to read her every move. So wolverine had prep against that power.

Now the herc point. I was saying that the 15 ton punches wouldnt hurt herc but it will annoy him to the point that he would want to give it his all against a fighter who fights better than him and knows how to use pressure points and could be faster than him. Do you think herc would go all day getting thrown against wall and getting cars thrown on him, etc..., naaah, because I wouldnt take all of that and hes going to want to see his enemy (or keep getting punished) and thats the end of the fight.

By the way do you know that gorgon has super human speed. He dodge bullets at close range and killed 5 people before they even got the chance to acknowledge that they were cut. As I stated before, cyke has to look at whos he shooting and that would be hit downfall.

Originally posted by carver9
I understand entirely what youre saying and Im not trying to make you mad.

I never said that he could take down professor x. I dont think that anyone could take out professor below herald level but your still not understanding what Im telling you. Ok gorgon powers arent to mind rape you, he isnt that kind of tp, he has the power to read your mind and determine what moves your about to do next, example; lets say if thor is think about throwing a lightning bolt, gorgon has read thors mind and know what he is about to do and would be able to evade it before it happens.

In the comic where gorgon and wolverine fought, you do know that wolverine has psy blocks for 1 but thats not what helped him, wolverine went animal and didnt have a mind for gorgon to read and he also said that gorgon knocked elektras tp blocks out that was given to them by shield that why he was able to read her every move. So wolverine had prep against that power.

Now the herc point. I was saying that the 15 ton punches wouldnt hurt herc but it will annoy him to the point that he would want to give it his all against a fighter who fights better than him and knows how to use pressure points and could be faster than him. Do you think herc would go all day getting thrown against wall and getting cars thrown on him, etc..., naaah, because I wouldnt take all of that and hes going to want to see his enemy (or keep getting punished) and thats the end of the fight.

By the way do you know that gorgon has super human speed. He dodge bullets at close range and killed 5 people before they even got the chance to acknowledge that they were cut. As I stated before, cyke has to look at whos he shooting and that would be hit downfall.

Him beating Thor? For f*cks sake. Some people need to know their characters.

Originally posted by Jebus reborn
This is why smart Wolverine fans should argue for Wolverine's villains.

Him beating Thor? For f*cks sake. Some people need to know their characters.

Nut, Im not saying that he could beat thor because thor hammer works miracles BUT I dont know what would happen to thor if he looks into gorgon eyes. Wonderwoman seems quite powerful, I wonder why she had her eyes covered when she fought medusa because she would have turned to stone.

Originally posted by darthgoober
Wasn't that a robot double, or am I thinking of a different time?

✅ The real Apoc showed up in a hologram and congratulated Wolverine on beating the robot.

And then he told him the base was gonna blow up. 😛

Originally posted by carver9
Nut, Im not saying that he could beat thor because thor hammer works miracles BUT I dont know what would happen to thor if he looks into gorgon eyes. Wonderwoman seems quite powerful, I wonder why she had her eyes covered when she fought medusa because she would have turned to stone.

Well... that's a shitty comparison.

Originally posted by TricksterPriest
✅ The real Apoc showed up in a hologram and congratulated Wolverine on beating the robot.

And then he told him the base was gonna blow up. 😛

He seemed pretty scared to me. Why didnt he go down there to fight wolverine on his own.