Mad Jim Jaspers vs Abraxas

Who wins this?

been done before I think

Depends on which MMJ

Originally posted by Utrigita
been done before I think

wavey

Originally posted by Thanos_THOTU
Depends on which MMJ

238 took over a universe
616 took over a universe
616w/Fury hasn't done jack shit to earn the hype people have been giving him

None of them have the showing to put them above Abraxas. 616 has the potential to win but has never achieved it.

So it really doesn't matter on the version unless you want to go into the whole "full potential" argument.

Abraxas was killed by the UN, 616 Jaspers would have survived the CN

Originally posted by Endless Mike
Abraxas was killed by the UN, 616 Jaspers would have survived the CN

Which shot per shot has less power than the UN.

Not according to Mr. Master. He puts the CN over the UN.

Originally posted by TricksterPriest
Not according to Mr. Master. He puts the CN over the UN.

A single shot from the CN is less powerful than a single shot from the UN.

A CN blast will destroy a universe in it's entirety. A UN blast can destroy a multiverse.

Although the CN can destory the omniverse in theory it would take a greater number of blasts to do it.

Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
238 took over a universe
616 took over a universe
616w/Fury hasn't done jack shit to earn the hype people have been giving him

None of them have the showing to put them above Abraxas. 616 has the potential to win but has never achieved it.

So it really doesn't matter on the version unless you want to go into the whole "full potential" argument.

Lord Mandragon 🙂

Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
A single shot from the CN is less powerful than a single shot from the UN.

The CN doesn't shoot anything.

The Celestial Nullifier crushes the Life-Force of a Universe,

instantaneously erasing the actual Universe into absolute nothingness.

Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
A CN blast will destroy a universe in it's entirety. A UN blast can destroy a multiverse.

Roma & Merlyn have never had any reason to erase a Multiverse.

But they can do it just as easily with the CN, well perhaps with a second more of prep.

Why was the UN used in the Abraxas Arc and not the CN?

Because the CN Erases,

while the UN erases and Creates back.

Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
Although the CN can destory the omniverse in theory it would take a greater number of blasts to do it.

Not exactly.

The CN doesn't work that way.

The CN destroys Crystals that contain the Life-Force of UniverseS.

Merlyn and Roma have a Crystal for every Universe in the Omniverse.

They can simply gather the Crystals and crush them all at once,

will this take Time?

Not to a being the likes of Roma or Merlyn ... they control Time.

Here she is with a Cap. Brit. would be successor:

Roma plucks her husband (who was Dead) from the Past:

And brings him to the present (Alive) with a gesture.

it would be harder to destroy a Multiverse for Roma and Merlyn then it would for the UN a multiverse exist of a nigh infinite numbers of "crystals" then would have to gather each one of these it wouldn't take them much time but it wouldn't be handy for them go gather all the crystals for a multiverse and crush them, then to think of how many crystals that would needed to be crushed to destroy the omniverse ... WOW a lot of destroyed crystals hope they don't cut themselves on them

And to destroy that multiverse wouldn't help since only when the multiverse is rewritten can the Abraxas be removed and I have never seen the CN remaking anything nore rewritting anything

Originally posted by Mr Master
The CN doesn't shoot anything.

The Celestial Nullifier crushes the Life-Force of a Universe,

instantaneously erasing the actual Universe into absolute nothingness.

Roma & Merlyn have never had any reason to erase a Multiverse.

But they can do it just as easily with the CN, well perhaps with a second more of prep.

Why was the UN used in the Abraxas Arc and not the CN?

Because the CN Erases,

while the UN erases and Creates back.

Not exactly.

The CN doesn't work that way.

The CN destroys Crystals that contain the Life-Force of UniverseS.

Merlyn and Roma have a Crystal for every Universe in the Omniverse.

They can simply gather the Crystals and crush them all at once,

will this take Time?

Not to a being the likes of Roma or Merlyn ... they control Time.

Here she is with a Cap. Brit. would be successor:

Roma plucks her husband (who was Dead) from the Past:

And brings him to the present (Alive) with a gesture.

That doesn't change the fact that 238 Jaspers was killed by destroying a universe and Myrlen said only that it wouldn't be that easy to beat 616 Jaspers.

The destructive power of destroying a single universe with the CN is <<<< then what the UN can do in one shot.

Hence surving a shot from the UN is more difficult that surving having the CN crush the single universe that you are in.

Originally posted by Utrigita
it would be harder to destroy a Multiverse for Roma and Merlyn then it would for the UN a multiverse exist of a nigh infinite numbers of "crystals" then would have to gather each one of these it wouldn't take them much time but it wouldn't be handy for them go gather all the crystals for a multiverse and crush them, then to think of how many crystals that would needed to be crushed to destroy the omniverse ...

It would take them time you say.

I just posted Roma controlling Time with a gesture. shrug

Forget about Time.

In any case,

I'm sure Roma can summon all the Crystals with a thought.

Originally posted by Utrigita
WOW a lot of destroyed crystals hope they don't cut themselves on them

lmfao

Stick to the debate please.

Originally posted by Utrigita
And to destroy that multiverse wouldn't help since only when the multiverse is rewritten can the Abraxas be removed and I have never seen the CN remaking anything nore rewritting anything

Not exactly,

you don't have to Remake Reality, for without Reality Abraxas is obselete.

Abraxas is a Concept, (embodiment of Destruction)

and as such depends on Reality in order to have a purpose to exist.

Originally posted by Mr Master
It would take them time you say.

I just posted Roma controlling Time with a gesture. shrug

Forget about Time.

In any case,

I'm sure Roma can summon all the Crystals with a thought.

lmfao

Stick to the debate please.

Not exactly,

you don't have to Remake Reality, for without Reality Abraxas is obselete.

Abraxas is a Concept, (embodiment of Destruction)

and as such depends on Reality in order to have a purpose to exist.

Then I will forget about time

I will don't worry

Then I find it difficuelt to understand why Abraxas was Destroying reality and the multiverse when it would spell his own destuction???

And Oblivion is also a concept but needs no reality to exist.

Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
That doesn't change the fact that 238 Jaspers was killed by destroying a universe and Myrlen said only that it wouldn't be that easy to beat 616 Jaspers.

What does this mean?

Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
The destructive power of destroying a single universe with the CN is <<<< then what the UN can do in one shot.

As you wish,

but I disagree.

The CN has been proven on panel to erase Reality utterly.

The UN has been proven On Panel to leave behind remnants of the Universe,

like Eternity's Spirit.

Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
Hence surving a shot from the UN is more difficult that surving having the CN crush the single universe that you are in.

I disagree.

It's an equal affair at best.

and then one can ask himself whether spirit is reality ore not but that is for the religious forum to discuss

Sweet Jesus for the love of God's sake!

Tell me why would Mr Master lie, does he have any reason for doing so?
- Thought not.

Have you guy's read both the arc's?
- Well Mr Master has, and as stated, there is no reason for him to lie.

And enough with your accusation's if you think he's wrong simply get the comic's read them through, find proof which opose his scan them and post them.

Without proof your statements is as much worth as water in the ocean.

At least Mr Master backs up his statements with might I say, flawless evidence.

Originally posted by Mr Master
What does this mean?

I mean destroying a single universe would not have been enough to kill 616 Jaspers.

ie Jaspers wouldn't neccisarily survive everything the CN could throw at him just the power of destroying a single universe.

If we go back to what started this:

Originally posted by Endless Mike
Abraxas was killed by the UN, 616 Jaspers would have survived the CN

I meant that since Myrlen said that destroying a universe wouldn't be enough that a single shot from the CN would not (in this case) be as dangerous as what the UN can do.

Originally posted by Utrigita
Then I will forget about time

I will don't worry

🙂

Originally posted by Utrigita
Then I find it difficuelt to understand why Abraxas was Destroying reality and the multiverse when it would spell his own destuction???

That's his purpose,

I doubt he sits around and analyzes his own existence,

which is a looping paradox to say the least.

Originally posted by Utrigita
And Oblivion is also a concept but needs no reality to exist.

Oblivion is Nothingness.

So yes,

Oblivion is the ultimate Concept, I've always said it.