Originally posted by Endless Mike
Or they can both go FTL, but Flash is faster?Besides, Zoom is faster than Flash anyway.
Or one of is just faster than the other incredibly and the other dont come close to his speed. Flash is the fastest being on his planet and his top speed is the speed of light. I dont think that zoom is faster than flash.
Originally posted by carver9
Or one of is just faster than the other incredibly and the other dont come close to his speed. Flash is the fastest being on his planet and his top speed is the speed of light. I dont think that zoom is faster than flash.
Wally has gone faster than light. Zoom has left Wally in the dust.
Originally posted by carver9
Like you said, I want some on panel speed quotes, ex... with the gladiator feat reed richards said he was going 100 times the speed of light. Is there any kind of comic saying the same for supes.
Explain to me how someone who's not going FTL gets to a place millions of light-years away from Earth in a few hours. Just explain that to me first. Because it's quite obvious that if someone got to place faster than light would, it would have to mean he was travel ling faster than light.
Originally posted by carver9
When gladiator disarmed that weapon it said that he was going near light speed (about 180,000 mps) I want to see something that is saying the same for supes.
I asked for a scan of Gladiator going at light-speed on Earth, not a scan of him going near light-speed. Supes has gone FTL in a black hole, and despite what you believe black holes don't push people faster than light.
Originally posted by carver9
And as it stated in the bio, that nova can go the speed of sound on earth and outside of the earths atmosphere he can go the faster than the speed of light. I think that earth gravity does play a major role in the speed dept, especially when your in space and youre not even affected by any type of atmosphere. You might think that its nothing to supes but it is. I can say the same for nova since he is nigh invulnerable and is a cosmic being with enormous powers but earth atmosphere plays a major role on him.
Anyone registered at Marvel Database can edit that bio. And why would Earth's gravity really matter to someone who's resisted the gravitational pull of a Sun. You do know that the Sun has greater gravity than the Earth's, don't you?
Originally posted by carver9
If you dont like bios then this one will really hurt, this came from a writer by the name of brian azzarello (hes a superman writer). During a interview that was in a wizard book they asked him questions that compared our superman to earth 2 superman and this was superman stats.He could lift 100,000 tons +
Then they asked about his speed, he simply stated that superman max speed is 2000mpsEarth 2 superman speed is 1750mps.
I didnt say this, brian azzarello said this, argue with him.
And despite what he' said Superman has feats that outdo everything that writer stated. Also when was this interview conducted? Because Superman is a lot stronger than he was before he died.
However, the fact that he said E2 Superman can only go at 1750mps proves he doesn’t know what the hell he’s talking about. Another Superman writer, Joe Casey, has stated Superman can rearrange the Solar System, tear a star in half, and is “unbeatable”.
So let’s just go by what happens in the comics and not what people say during interviews.
Originally posted by carver9
Like you said, I want some on panel speed quotes, ex... with the gladiator feat reed richards said he was going 100 times the speed of light. Is there any kind of comic saying the same for supes.When gladiator disarmed that weapon it said that he was going near light speed (about 180,000 mps) I want to see something that is saying the same for supes.
And as it stated in the bio, that nova can go the speed of sound on earth and outside of the earths atmosphere he can go the faster than the speed of light. I think that earth gravity does play a major role in the speed dept, especially when your in space and youre not even affected by any type of atmosphere. You might think that its nothing to supes but it is. I can say the same for nova since he is nigh invulnerable and is a cosmic being with enormous powers but earth atmosphere plays a major role on him.
If you dont like bios then this one will really hurt, this came from a writer by the name of brian azzarello (hes a superman writer). During a interview that was in a wizard book they asked him questions that compared our superman to earth 2 superman and this was superman stats.
He could lift 100,000 tons +
Then they asked about his speed, he simply stated that superman max speed is 2000mpsEarth 2 superman speed is 1750mps.
I didnt say this, brian azzarello said this, argue with him.
Brian himself wrote an arc where Superman crossed to another galaxy almost instantly from his bed.
As for the Gladiator ¨feat¨...is this the one where he was caught in an explosion that propelled Glads that fast? Recently the guy had problems stopping a tidal wave....
Originally posted by carver9
Or one of is just faster than the other incredibly and the other dont come close to his speed. Flash is the fastest being on his planet and his top speed is the speed of light. I dont think that zoom is faster than flash.
Flash can go beyond light-speed.
He's done so before. Just take a loot at the time he searched through a crowd of people and placed two of them in front of Green Lantern's blast. He did that in just a picosecond.
Originally posted by I watch Pokemon
Explain to me how someone who's not going FTL gets to a place millions of light-years away from Earth in a few hours. Just explain that to me first. Because it's quite obvious that if someone got to place faster than light would, it would have to mean he was travel ling faster than light.I asked for a scan of Gladiator going at light-speed on Earth, not a scan of him going near light-speed. Supes has gone FTL in a black hole, and despite what you believe black holes don't push people faster than light.
Anyone registered at Marvel Database can edit that bio. And why would Earth's gravity really matter to someone who's resisted the gravitational pull of a Sun. You do know that the Sun has greater gravity than the Earth's, don't you?
And despite what he' said Superman has feats that outdo everything that writer stated. Also when was this interview conducted? Because Superman is a lot stronger than he was before he died.
However, the fact that he said E2 Superman can only go at 1750mps proves he doesn’t know what the hell he’s talking about. Another Superman writer, Joe Casey, has stated Superman can rearrange the Solar System, tear a star in half, and is “unbeatable”.
So let’s just go by what happens in the comics and not what people say during interviews.
Understandable and good post. But when superman and flash was racing, it was a statement that was said by the narrator. Flash said 1st "superman has gotten a lot faster since the last time we raced". Do you want to know what speed the narrator said superman was going "2000mps", now you cant say thats not suspicious.
Also when louis was trapped on a boat with two gun men and superman was racing to try and save her, do you want to know what speed the narrator said superman was going when he said that superman hit his top speed "2000mps". Superman has done some things but in the end of the day it just depends on what the writer wants for superman to do. But in his bio his top speed is 2000mps. And since superman fly so fast why was he able to keep up with superboy prime when superboy stated that he was only going the speed of light. Why did the entire green lantern corp get killed before he got there. Why when superboy prime stated that he was going to go through the planet oa at the speed of light superman said that he cant keep up with him going that speed.
Originally posted by I watch Pokemon
However, the fact that he said E2 Superman can only go at 1750mps proves he doesn’t know what the hell he’s talking about. Another Superman writer, Joe Casey, has stated Superman can rearrange the Solar System, tear a star in half, and is “unbeatable”.So let’s just go by what happens in the comics and not what people say during interviews.
Throw in Grant Morrison, Jeph Loeb, Richard Donner, Mark Shultz..ect..
Originally posted by carver9
Understandable and good post. But when superman and flash was racing, it was a statement that was said by the narrator. Flash said 1st "superman has gotten a lot faster since the last time we raced". Do you want to know what speed the narrator said superman was going "2000mps", now you cant say thats not suspicious.
Flashś connection to the speed force negates him affecting the environment. Other characters don´t have this type of luxury.
Originally posted by Avalonofthewind
Flashś connection to the speed force negates him affecting the environment. Other characters don´t have this type of luxury.
You really dont understand. In order for flash to even taste the speed force he would need to go the speed of light. Do you remember when black adam was racing one of the flashes and the flash couldnt get into the speed force until he reached the speed of light. He struggled to do that and it took time. So what you all are basically telling me is that superman is faster than any of the flashes.
Originally posted by carver9
You really dont understand. In order for flash to even taste the speed force he would need to go the speed of light. Do you remember when black adam was racing one of the flashes and the flash couldnt get into the speed force until he reached the speed of light. He struggled to do that and it took time. So what you all are basically telling me is that superman is faster than any of the flashes.
They don't have to physically get into the speed force. All versions of the Flash are connected to and channel it to get speed.
Originally posted by carver9
You really dont understand. In order for flash to even taste the speed force he would need to go the speed of light. Do you remember when black adam was racing one of the flashes and the flash couldnt get into the speed force until he reached the speed of light. He struggled to do that and it took time. So what you all are basically telling me is that superman is faster than any of the flashes.
I said nothing about running to enter the speed force. I said that due to his connection with it..the way his power works...that Flashś speed doesn´t affect the environment in the same way that other characters do.
That is the reason he can hit virtually unlimited speeds and not destroy everything around him. Itś also the same reason he can share speed with humans or other beings and not have them burn up in friction.
I dont know why we're arguing about this, its pointless. Whatever the comics want superman or any other character to do, theyre going to do it. Superman has flown faster than the speed of light (outside of earths atmosphere) but it depends on the writer who is writing the book. His bio says that his top speed is 2000mps but in comics his speed fluctuates. Now you all believe that superman goes faster than the speed of light because your going by comics feats and not bios but when wonder woman beat superman during the max lord saga and could have killed him you all went off of bios saying that superman has this, this, and that and he shouldnt have lost to wonder woman. Bios only seems good when people want to use it to help themselves. Well since comics are alway cannon and right, I might as well believe that wonder woman is >> superman since she did own a superman that wasnt holding back.
I'll see you all tomorrow and I will be back to reply to your post. Have a good one.
Originally posted by carver9
Understandable and good post. But when superman and flash was racing, it was a statement that was said by the narrator. Flash said 1st "superman has gotten a lot faster since the last time we raced". Do you want to know what speed the narrator said superman was going "2000mps", now you cant say thats not suspicious.Also when louis was trapped on a boat with two gun men and superman was racing to try and save her, do you want to know what speed the narrator said superman was going when he said that superman hit his top speed "2000mps". Superman has done some things but in the end of the day it just depends on what the writer wants for superman to do. But in his bio his top speed is 2000mps. And since superman fly so fast why was he able to keep up with superboy prime when superboy stated that he was only going the speed of light. Why did the entire green lantern corp get killed before he got there. Why when superboy prime stated that he was going to go through the planet oa at the speed of light superman said that he cant keep up with him going that speed.
They were running, Superman is much faster when he’s flying. You also got remember that Superman was only keeping up with Flash; he didn’t try to get ahead of Flash. I also posted scans of Superman and Jay chasing after Wally, in this race Superman was actually about to beat Jay until he had his speed stolen. Now before Jay lost his connection with the Speed Force he could go several times the speed of sound and even reach light-speed. The fact that Superman was actually going to beat him is pretty much proof that Superman can go several times the speed of sound.
It was never explicitly stated what speed Superman was going at when he flying to save Lois and Jimmy, but it was said that he avoids flying passed the speed of sound when in populated areas. I don’t know what bio you’ve been reading but it seems to me that it’s outdated.
Superman never said he couldn’t keep up with Superboy-Prime. It was a Green Lantern that said that. Superboy-Prime also said he would fly through Oa at the speed of light but he could have simply meant that once he reached Oa as fast as he could he would then fly through it at the speed of light. The guy was trying to create a new big bang, maybe going FTL through it wouldn’t give him the result he wanted. Also, after Superboy-Prime said he would fly through Oa at light speed, the Earth-2 Superman grabbed his leg, which might have convinced Superboy-Prime to go faster than he had originally intended to. And Superboy-Prime didn’t kill the whole Green Lantern Corps, he killed 32 out of 7200.
Originally posted by carver9
I dont know why we're arguing about this, its pointless. Whatever the comics want superman or any other character to do, theyre going to do it. Superman has flown faster than the speed of light (outside of earths atmosphere) but it depends on the writer who is writing the book. His bio says that his top speed is 2000mps but in comics his speed fluctuates. Now you all believe that superman goes faster than the speed of light because your going by comics feats and not bios but when wonder woman beat superman during the max lord saga and could have killed him you all went off of bios saying that superman has this, this, and that and he shouldnt have lost to wonder woman. Bios only seems good when people want to use it to help themselves. Well since comics are alway cannon and right, I might as well believe that wonder woman is >> superman since she did own a superman that wasnt holding back.I'll see you all tomorrow and I will be back to reply to your post. Have a good one.
Wonder Woman was getting the shit beaten out of her. Superman punched her from the Sun to Earth in seconds, she had to resort to calling some birds to keep Superman distracted.
Here’s some funny shit from Joe Casey. 😆
RC: Could your Superman re-arrange his own Solar System, and tear a star apart, as Majestic did?
JOE CASEY: Absolutely. Where do you think Mr. Majestic got the idea in the first place...?
JOE CASEY: I've always seen Superman as this completely over-the-top, fantastic character who has *no* limits whatsoever. He's an icon, an idea, a concept... and I didn't want to spend time adhering to Handbook-style stats when it came to his abilities.
And, of course, just why it is that Superman can’t be beat. Not by Darkseid (Can Darkseid beat Superman? Casey: "He’ll never beat Superman"😉.
RC: Juggernaut? Doomsday? Galactus? No one short of Imperiex himself?
JOE CASEY: At that point, Superman is unbeatable. Had he not snapped out of it when Doomsday got fried, he might’ve been able to stop Imperiex right then and there.
Originally posted by carver9
I dont know why we're arguing about this, its pointless. Whatever the comics want superman or any other character to do, theyre going to do it. Superman has flown faster than the speed of light (outside of earths atmosphere) but it depends on the writer who is writing the book. His bio says that his top speed is 2000mps but in comics his speed fluctuates. Now you all believe that superman goes faster than the speed of light because your going by comics feats and not bios but when wonder woman beat superman during the max lord saga and could have killed him you all went off of bios saying that superman has this, this, and that and he shouldnt have lost to wonder woman. Bios only seems good when people want to use it to help themselves. Well since comics are alway cannon and right, I might as well believe that wonder woman is >> superman since she did own a superman that wasnt holding back.I'll see you all tomorrow and I will be back to reply to your post. Have a good one.
I hope you aren´t speaking about the Maxwell Lord battle where he ko´d her, and had plenty of chance to kill her even while not able to truly see her....
