Teachers Stage Fake Gun Attack on Kids

Originally posted by Fishy
Even though the US has more of these then most other country's I would hardly call it an everyday or even normal event. Fear is ruling once again, and that is just stupid. These kids have no reason to be confronted with this. Unless they would plan to do it often the training would have no effect. And if you do it often it becomes a drill and people get used to it, and still won't know what to do in a real situation. You just can't train most kids for things like this. They are children they aren't even supposed to think about this.

Of course. If it were Middle or High school, I don't think it would have been so controversial. We had something similar to that in middle school, except they didn't elaborate what was happening. We just had to lock the doors and stay quiet. We heard a knocking at the door and some girl got up to open it and we were all whispering loudly, "Don't open the freakin door, you moron!" And she got all snotty saying, "It's probably just an officer, jeez!" And she was right. It was our school cop and he said, "Bang. You're dead. And so is your whole class." Yeah, she wasn't too popular that day.

Originally posted by chillmeistergen
What exactly is it supposed to teach them though? Seems to me to be pretty much saying if there's an attack involving a gun you're buggered. There's nothing these kids could have done, this isn't a die hard movie and all they're going to learn from it is to distrust adults in authority.

Well it's about time kids learn how to fight like in Die Hard! You'd have to admit, the gunman would be too surprised to retaliate. 😉

Using fear to keep kids under control. That's a new generation of terrorism and indoctrination if you ask me.

Originally posted by Bardiel13
Well it's about time kids learn how to fight like in Die Hard! You'd have to admit, the gunman would be too surprised to retaliate. 😉

Well yeah I'm sure they would be. Would certainly surprise me.

Originally posted by Bardiel13
Of course. If it were Middle or High school, I don't think it would have been so controversial. We had something similar to that in middle school, except they didn't elaborate what was happening. We just had to lock the doors and stay quiet. We heard a knocking at the door and some girl got up to open it and we were all whispering loudly, "Don't open the freakin door, you moron!" And she got all snotty saying, "It's probably just an officer, jeez!" And she was right. It was our school cop and he said, "Bang. You're dead. And so is your whole class." Yeah, she wasn't too popular that day.

So what did you learn from all of that? That somebody can't kick open a door? Get a key? Shoot through a door? If a situation like that arises you aren't going to respond like during some test.

I think it's completely useless.. It just scares a lot of people.

Originally posted by Fishy
So what did you learn from all of that? That somebody can't kick open a door? Get a key? Shoot through a door? If a situation like that arises you aren't going to respond like during some test.

I think it's completely useless.. It just scares a lot of people.

I'm sure the first thing a crazed shooter would want to find is a key, and of course he knows where to look for one. Also, the doors have those kind of frames where you can't kick them open, because part of it is raised. But, please, share your fool-proof alternative to surviving a school shooting. And we we're supposed to learn anything besides don't open the door. It was basically a test to see how we would handle a real life situation.

Makes me wonder why on earth these people are willing to scare the hell out of children, but they won't push for a gun ban. What kind of place is it where the adults, are so scared of letting go of their guns, that they have to scare children into the fact that a gun toting madman, may well one day make their way round the schools in their area?

Originally posted by chillmeistergen
Makes me wonder why on earth these people are willing to scare the hell out of children, but they won't push for a gun ban. What kind of place is it where the adults, are so scared of letting go of their guns, that they have to scare children into the fact that a gun toting madman, may well one day make their way round the schools in their area?

There ARE people who are pushing for a gun ban. Honestly, I couldn't agree more. Ever since our pot ban, we've had virtually no reports of marijuana in our country at all! And remember that prohibition era? The only time in our history when we weren't wasting our lives drinking the devil's water. Since our police force is so advanced, if a gun ban went into effect, we could probably reduce gun-related fatalities to zero!

This was an isolated incident, no? Let's not get ahead of ourselves... stupid move by the teachers; they'll pay for it now.

Originally posted by Schecter
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/huff-wires/20070513/faked-attack

sickening. yeah, i know i posted a RABBLE thread, but i just cant get over the level of reckless fearmongering. making children cry and beg for their lives. what were they supposed to learn?

...How to cry and beg for their lives...

I'm in amazement that someone, somewhere, thought this was a good idea.

Originally posted by Robtard
This was an isolated incident, no? Let's not get ahead of ourselves... stupid move by the teachers; they'll pay for it now.

Yeah as long as it doesn't get a public defence, I can't foresee a problem. Hopefully, the school, and the teachers will be severely punished though.

Originally posted by Bardiel13
I'm sure the first thing a crazed shooter would want to find is a key, and of course he knows where to look for one. Also, the doors have those kind of frames where you can't kick them open, because part of it is raised. But, please, share your fool-proof alternative to surviving a school shooting. And we we're supposed to learn anything besides don't open the door. It was basically a test to see how we would handle a real life situation.

I don't have a way to survive school shootings that's the entire point. Nobody is going to know how to react in a situation like that, nobody will know what they can or can not do and the people knocking on the door may very well be someone you know. Someone screaming for help. You'd keep the door closed hear somebody shooting kid is dead, and your traumatized for life, even more then you would have been already.

You open the door and the kid screaming was the shooter and kills you. You think these classes teach you act to act calmly and think about situations like that? I very much doubt it's going to do any good. It just scares the hell out of some kids

Originally posted by Schecter
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/huff-wires/20070513/faked-attack

sickening. yeah, i know i posted a RABBLE thread, but i just cant get over the level of reckless fearmongering. making children cry and beg for their lives. what were they supposed to learn?

Originally posted by BackFire
...How to cry and beg for their lives...

I'm in amazement that someone, somewhere, thought this was a good idea.

Not really. Odds are there are dozens of idiots who still think it's a brilliant idea.

Originally posted by Strangelove
*chuckle*

ZOMG YOU HORRIBLE HUMAN BEING!!!
YAP!!!! YAP!!!! YAP!!! FILTH!!! SCUM!!!! YAP!!!

Having small children myself, had it happened to mine, I would have been outraged as well... that was terrible of them and I hope it cost them their job.

.......what if they had consulted a councilor and got written permission slips from the parents for their child to be put through this 'learning experience'?

It would have NEVER happened.

Retards.

Originally posted by Fishy
I don't have a way to survive school shootings that's the entire point. Nobody is going to know how to react in a situation like that, nobody will know what they can or can not do and the people knocking on the door may very well be someone you know. Someone screaming for help. You'd keep the door closed hear somebody shooting kid is dead, and your traumatized for life, even more then you would have been already.

You open the door and the kid screaming was the shooter and kills you. You think these classes teach you act to act calmly and think about situations like that? I very much doubt it's going to do any good. It just scares the hell out of some kids

Well, I'll tell you how the best way to improve your survival rate. Lock the doors, keep down, stay quiet, wait for local school cops to take shooter down. Which is exactly what the drill taught us. If we ran around, screaming and crying, then the shooter could quite easily pick out the next spot to waste some kids. In that paniced state, they probably wouldn't have even bothered to lock the door.

So your school had to teach its students common sense?

Originally posted by chillmeistergen
So your school had to teach its students common sense?

Yes. A person can handle common sense. People cannot. Remember that quote from Men in Black? "A person is smart. People are dumb, panicky, dangerous animals and you know it." When in a drill, no one cares. People just sit and wait for it to be over. When faced with the same situation in real life, it's completely different. Since your life is actually in danger, it can cause people to act quite differently. In that sort of situation, it would be very likely that someone would simply lose it and start screaming their head off. And as you read in my post, someone opened the door. If it were a real life situation, she would have acted the same, since we were convinced that something really was going on.

I'm not saying it's proper to go around banging on doors, scaring the crap out of little kids, but for those who are put in environments where such occurances are quite plausible, it's good to exercise proper ways to deal with such matters. If the drill at my school were real life, I would probably be dead because that girl opened the door against our better judgement. She learned a very important lesson.

Jesus H.

It's like the time a local radio station said they were going to drown a puppy to raise awareness about water safety (in light of the recent drownings of a bunch of probably-illegal Mexicans who didn't know how to swim who decided to go swimming anyhow).