That's exactly what it means, because I'm not basing the win off that alone. It was my way of showing their different skill levels.
Vader was holding back against Luke, so that kind of negates that feat, as Luke himself knew that VAder could have taken him out at anytime.
We all know that ROTS Vader was superior to Kenobi, however he got lucky and won, but still contended with him for almost 12 minutes. And i believe that ROTS Kenobi would beat ANH Ben.
This is just going to turn into a big thing about more formal training and bad choreography, so why even get into it. Why are the Kenobi supporters being asked why he'd win? Why don't you all tell us why Luke would win...and bring up something other than he beat his father who was holding back.
I am one of the people here who rank Luke the most highly. However, even I say he loses here, and it isn't very close, either (though no curbstomp). Luke did get past ROTJ Vader's defenses, however, if Vader had used the Force on Luke Luke would have been dead, and Luke might not have beaten Vader had it not been for his rage. Kenobi managed to beat ROTS Vader, who is above ROTJ Vader, though he was somewhat lucky - still, he was close to ROTS Vader. He has defeated General Grievous and it wasn't super close. He was one of the two biggest hero's in the Clone Wars. He has more speed than Luke, more skill, is smarter, has accomplished greater feats. Force is a lot closer (Luke seemingly used the Force to hide himself from Vader, for a while, at least, and deflected some of the objects that Vader tossed at him in ESB off of him using the Force) but Kenobi still likely takes him in that category, as his Force Push was equal to Anakin's in their ROTS duel, and Anakin collapsed a football stadium sized room just by yelling.
Originally posted by jollyjim311
Yes, but to be fair Luke beat Vader, who beat ANH Kenobi, who was superior to ROTS Kenobi...And just because you say that you're not using an ABC argument doesn't mean that you're not.
Originally posted by jollyjim311Vader definitely didn't "beat" ANH obi, the fact is that obi smiled and sacrificed himself. that really doesn't even count as a win because thier lightsabers were locked when obi let go.
Yes, but to be fair Luke beat Vader, who beat ANH Kenobi, who was superior to ROTS Kenobi...And just because you say that you're not using an ABC argument doesn't mean that you're not.
Originally posted by darthsith19
I seriously doubt that ANH Kenobi > ROTS Kenobi. Kenobi says this, but it's in the same context that he says he will become more powerful if Vader strikes him down.
We have the quote and the fact that Kenobi kept up with his skills and went on missions, plus he continued to study with Qui Gon, and was still a few decades younger than Dooku, meaning age couldn't have been a huge factor.
Originally posted by jollyjim311
We have the quote and the fact that Kenobi kept up with his skills and went on missions, plus he continued to study with Qui Gon, and was still a few decades younger than Dooku, meaning age couldn't have been a huge factor.
Originally posted by darthsith19
I said he likely practiced a little to stay in shape. Here I say that he didn't keep them up very much. Not much of a contradiction, I still think he likely practiced a little, just nowhere near enough to make him ahead of ROTS Kenobi and not enough to say level with his ROTS self, either.
We know that he did, weather he even needs to would be a better question. Yoda rarely used his lightsaber, but when the situation called for it, he had all the skills. Sidious didn't use his for 10 years and then he killed three of the best swordsmen ever. Yaddle hadn't used hers for a long period of time as I understand, too.
It's like riding a bike, and I s'pose. Plus Kenobi did exercise and stay up with his skills.