Ten Year Rule Explained by Terry on Wordplayer

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Ten Year Rule Explained by Terry on Wordplayer

The gist of the rule is basically that Davy Jones was doomed because his lover vowed to remain faithful, and she didn't.

If she HAD remained faithful for the ten year time period in which he was forced to remain at sea, then the curse would have been broken.

So I assume that if Will becomes captain of the Dutchman and Elizabeth vows to be faithful, then in ten years, Will will be free.

Now, don't think I am trying to be all, "It's Willabeth for sure", but it is something to think about now. Comments? Questions?

That makes sense.Anyway I think it's really a long time for lovers or a married couple to stay apart from each other.I still don't see,what happens when Will comes back?Will he be mortal after that?Other.He will be still the same age,while Elizabeth is going to be ten years older.I still don't like it very much.I'm a Sparrabether,but I don't say it just because of this.If Will wouldn't be Captin of the FD,and him and Elizabeth would marry,and Jack would be in some way happy,I wouldn't jump out of my skin for joy,but let's say that would satisfy me in some way.But the previous alternative IMO doesn't make happy either of them

so i take it that tia dalma cheated on davy with jack and THATS why davy also hates him so much????
Because technically, it would mean that jack is part of the reason for why his curse isnt broken???

Oooooo!!
so what if the spell doesnt break for will, either??
Anyone betting that jack is the reason for that one, aswell??? 😉 lmao!

^ i arrived with the same conclusion lol

Well, let's go with that, and say the film ends with Will finding out that Elizabeth hasn't been faithful to him.

Is that the kind of ending you'd want for At World's End?

hell, if it stops will and liz getting down and dirty then im up for anything 😄

Seriously though, I was more or less joking with the last part.
But the first part i was actually being quite serious about...

actually, that's the ending i want... 😄

i'm so bad.. sorry will.. lol...

and that was supposed to be 'i arrived at'..

hehehe..

i think we can safely say that by the end of the film, NO ONE gets the girl...not physically, anyway.

Will does in a way because he marries her, but he cant be with her.

Jack knows that she has feelings for him, and he knows that she knows how he feels about her...but he doesn't get her either...

I think ill be good with that answer, to be honest 🙂
And plus, i bet the writers have done it like that because they want fans to still be talking about it in years to come, going;

"No, it was Will she really loved"

"No, i'm telling you it was definately jack!"

"Will!"
"Jack!"
"The whelp!"
"Jack!"
"The eunich!"
"JACK!"

...and so on and so on 😄

could be...

the whelp? the eunuch? 😂 now, why does Will have nicknames and not Jack?

do people respect Jack more than they do will lol?

maybe another cliffhanger for 4.. 😊

i think that will be the ending of the film. elizabeth waiting for will, and in the end (means after the 10 years) she awaits him with their child. it all makes sense.

Actually, no offense, i like T.Maria's idea better.. 😬

me too! 🙂 that´s only what i think it will be like. but i hope it´s gonna be different!

hope so too... 🙂

aww... guys, see ya tomorowz, it's 11.43 pm.. 😄

nightz..

yeah thanks for sharing, Surreal, because this clears up some major questions that I had concerning that subject. That simplifies things immensely and clears the way for the ending I have suspected for quite some time. And like T. Maria said, there will still be the slightest opening for Sparrabethers to continue in their ways, under the assumption that Elizabeth married and stayed faithful to Will to break the curse, and may have gone off with Jack at some point otherwise.

anyways, interesting info, and hooray that the movie comes soon! 🙂

I thought it was really interesting. 😄

I think that the curse only is broken if the love is actually 'true'. As in they truely love that person. I don't think it would work if Elizabeth simply waited for Will out of duty, but she planned to ditch him the moment he was free.

But yeah...'tis a shame some people don't give a hoot about plot and characters as long as J/E end up together. 😉 Wouldn't it be nice if all three of the main characters could be happy?

well,...she should be faithful, and at the same time go off with jack??? i can´t get it sorry 😄 faithful to will,and be with jack how funny ... if she really went off with jack, i´m not sure she would be faithful to will...girls,think about it... he´s JACK!!! 😄
no but seriously...thanks for posting surreal...it´s interesting that´s truth but i don´t like it ...at all... it´s sad!!! i know i know everyone should be happy but i think for will is happiness being with his father or at least half happiness....But WHAT for JACK????he has not his father, maybe the pearl either in the end!!! SO WHAT´S FOR HIM???? i think with ELIZABETH only it could be happiness for him coz without the pearl and his old life (well maybe he will have this old life but where does this leave development????) ...i want real happiness for him WILL has at least half happiness JACK NOT!!!...jack must get his love,his elizabeth!!!!! ooooh pleeeaaase common do not leave us(and him) with nothing!!!! ❌ why why why????

Where does it ever imply that Jack is in love with Elizabeth? He desires her, maybe wants her, but I'm not entirely sure he's in LOVE with her to the point that he'd die without her.

Jack will have his freedom. He loves that, I think, above all else; even the Pearl. If he doesn't have the Pearl, he'll have fun chasing her down, and I have this image in my head of Barbossa and Jack spending a few years chasing each other back and forth across the seas, constantly challenging each other as each one gets the Pearl.

Then I think they'd retire and hang out at Tortuga, looking at the pretty ladies and drinking rum, telling stories to the new generations of pirates.

Character development does not always mean that characters morph and change into something new. Often times it means that characters go through a few changes, and come to the conclusion that what they had originally is what they really want.

There's nothing wrong with that. They take the lessons that they've learned, and they apply them to their new lives.

In Jack's case, he's learned that the Pearl is just a ship, and he can relax over not having her. He didn't sell his soul for her, he's not in any more danger (other than the usual stuff for being a pirate), and he can sort of relax for the first time in what...thirteen years? Dude, the man needs a vacation, not a relationship.

Elizabeth will have learned that sometimes, yes, you have to communicate with the person you love, that you can't just take for granted that they will always be there for you.

Killing Jack, losing her father, probably losing James, and losing Will for ten years will have taught her that. She has learned to value people that she cares for, and that her decisions will affect everyone around her.

That's not a bad lesson to learn.

Will will have learned that sometimes doing a stupid thing is a really good thing, and sometimes it's a really bad thing. He will find his value as a person, finally, by rescuing lost souls, freeing those whom DJ has held captive for so long, and keeping his hope and faith in Elizabeth.

After nearly losing each other in the first film because of Barbossa, and then nearly losing each other in DMC because of DJ and Elizabeth's bad decision, to nearly losing each other again because of Will's bad decision and the curse, it would be lovely for Will and Elizabeth to finally be together.

Fighting for what you love, even if it's difficult, even if it's painful, even against insurmountable odds...I can think of very few things that give a more powerful message. Maybe it could be more feminist friendly, or more minority friendly, or any other number of social or political issues could have been covered, but I truly believe that people need to be reminded that the only things worth having in this world are the things you have to fight for.

Underlying all of this is the message for redemption and hope that no matter how far you fall, if you are willing to work at it, you CAN better yourself.

Beyond all of this, though, and moving into more shallow realms, is that this movie is beautiful, from the actors to the music to the scenery. It is going to be a phenominal film.

This film is so much more than J/E or W/E...why not give it a try before complaining that this isn't what you want. Just...give it a chance, and ENJOY the entire film experience. If we all do that, I don't think we'll be disappointed in what happens.

Originally posted by Surreal_44
I thought it was really interesting. 😄

I think that the curse only is broken if the love is actually 'true'. As in they truely love that person. I don't think it would work if Elizabeth simply waited for Will out of duty, but she planned to ditch him the moment he was free.

But yeah...'tis a shame some people don't give a hoot about plot and characters as long as J/E end up together. 😉 Wouldn't it be nice if all three of the main characters could be happy?

Plot and characters? Hmm... tis also a shame that some people don't give a hoot about the plot of DMC *cough* the writers *cough* as long as W/E end up together, but who's bitter? 😉

It WOULD be nice if all three main characters could be happy. But for that to happen, they would have had to keep another female character in the trilogy who could pull a foil for Jack, ending up with a Disney "everyone gets someone" ending, which would have been nice, but cliche.
Instead, it seems they went with the slightly more angsty real life feel of someone ending up alone, which is perhaps more like real life, but totally depressing in a lot of respects. haha. oh gee.

as to the curse... who can judge what true love is? seriously, i'd say it should be more about commitment/duty (whatever you want to call it) because who can judge what true love is? and does true love always mean you have no feelings for anyone else? i dont think so. but i dont think Liz would ditch him or anything. she's going to make a choice and stick with it.

kate, i wouldnt worry about anything....

We can always do our AWE revised when the script turns up online....do our own ending??? 😄 😄 😄

Ah, like the good old days of DMC and COTBP 😄
Oh, the fun we had! 😄

It may not mean anything to anyone, but I think that ending is extremely sexist, and a total waste of Lizzie's character development. That's even worse than her giving into society and marrying Norrington in BP.

Two, how is *that* kick-ass? That's the most predictable thing that could have happened IMO. Why bother making sequels?

More cheese.....good grief.

and no, the ending does not have to revolve around Sparrabeth to be good and kick ass, but good lord, if it has to be W/E, they couldn't have done better than this trife?

But hey, I'm not bitter.. 😉
🙄

*sighs* More "true love" crap conquers all? Gag me. I got over that illusion when I was 5.