The Thing vs The Lizard

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PIS on the Spider-Man and Lizard has always been billed at 12 tons

Originally posted by golem370
PIS on the Spider-Man and Lizard has always been billed at 12 tons

Or maybe Ben's just that weak 🙂

Statements in the actual comic book > handbooks. We always knew Lizard was significantly tougher and stronger by Spidey, him being only class twelve wouldn't make much sense, tbh.

...as the Lizard, he becomes as strong as three Spider-Men (...)

Ben was able to withstand three rounds from Champion

Originally posted by golem370
Ben was able to withstand three rounds from Champion

Aaand Spidey took a beating from P5 Colossus...

Thing's hardly the only one with "heart" showings.

Colossus was holding back against Spidey, trying to make him see "sense". He wouldn't even end him even though Magik made it abundantly clear it wouldn't be too hard.

Pretty sure Champion didn't hold back against Ben.

And Champion was going all out?

Lizard could hit him all day and wouldn't put him down in my opinion. Thing has been show fast enough to hit Spider-Man.

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
And Champion was going all out?

I don't think he held back against any of them. Unless I'm remembering wrong.

He wasn't he beat Sasquatch and Colossus badly

Originally posted by golem370
Lizard could hit him all day and wouldn't put him down in my opinion. Thing has been show fast enough to hit Spider-Man.

And Spidey never really got ko'd.

Lizard's more durable and has a hf. Doesn't bode well for Ben.

Claws to the eyes/choking him with a detached limb could very well work.

That was pretty impressive to stay conscious through all of that. But let's be honest, Avengers were given lots of favoritism in AvX. That was obviously playing to Spidey's popularity, as Colossus had his own strength amped by Juggernaut and by Phoenix. There's no way he should have even lasted a fraction of that time, much less stayed conscious and standing, and able to speak.

Originally posted by KingD19
That was pretty impressive to stay conscious through all of that. But let's be honest, Avengers were given lots of favoritism in AvX. That was obviously playing to Spidey's popularity, as Colossus had his own strength amped by Juggernaut and by Phoenix. There's no way he should have even lasted a fraction of that time, much less stayed conscious and standing, and able to speak.
It's Spiderman.

It doesn't matter.

The day I see Lizard take three heavy hits from Gladiator and either not die or be able to get up as fast Thing did then Lizard will only then be equal to Thing in durablilty.

Originally posted by Mindset
It's Spiderman.

It doesn't matter.

I know it's Spider-Man. Just like it's Captain America. Just like it's Batman, just like etc..

Doesn't make my point less true. A guy on Spidey's level of durability should not be able to take a beating from one of the physically strongest human mutants whose amped by being an avatar of physical force and destruction, as well as 2/4 of a Cosmic being of Destruction and Rebirth.

Just like Cap shouldn't have been able to two punch Warpath or shrug off Gambit exploding half his costume.

Originally posted by KingD19
I know it's Spider-Man. Just like it's Captain America. Just like it's Batman, just like etc..

Doesn't make my point less true. A guy on Spidey's level of durability should not be able to take a beating from one of the physically strongest human mutants whose amped by being an avatar of physical force and destruction, as well as 2/4 of a Cosmic being of Destruction and Rebirth.

Just like Cap shouldn't have been able to two punch Warpath or shrug off Gambit exploding half his costume.

What is Spiderman's level of durability?

You can't compare him to Cap.

Originally posted by golem370
The day I see Lizard take three heavy hits from Gladiator and either not die or be able to get up as fast Thing did then Lizard will only then be equal to Thing in durablilty.

I was talking about Lizard having superior durability to Spider-Man who took Thing's shots just fine.

Originally posted by KingD19
Just like Cap shouldn't have been able to two punch Warpath

How do you know it wasn't a one-shot? 😆

Originally posted by Mindset
What is Spiderman's level of durability?

You can't compare him to Cap.

I don't know, but there've been plenty of times when much much less than what Colossus did has definitively put him out of commission and down for the count.

And I'm comparing his feat to Cap's feats to point out that the Avengers were obviously the "favored" side of this whole back and forth.

I'm also saying that if Pete hadn't been holding back when he fought Spidey in Latveria, or when he fought him in Limbo. He would not have come out looking good in any way in either of those fights.

And lol, Stilt. The fact that he was still standing after the first one maybe? Let the man have some dignity.

Happened off-panel. All we see is Warpath's "oh shit" face when he faces Cap, then Steve is holding his limp body with one hand.

At least in the Danger Room simulation Proudstar NPC looked a bit better.

No, they actually fought in in of the AvX vs.

It was mainly Gambit vs Cap, but Cap got Warpath with a punch and a shield bash before that happened and he fell out.