Yeah, Guy. Phoenix Force is not immortal. Look.
(scans are courtesy of Mr. Master)
Galactus intended on Separating the Phoenix Force from Rachel Summers,
and have it returned to the Cosmos, even if it meant her Rachel's life.
Rachel accepts her fate
"it's only one LIFE he wants ... I give it to him"
BUT
"Galactus the Stars, they are going out"
Then Roma says,
"THAT CHILD (Rachel Summers) IS PHOENIX, Living Embodiment of ONE of the Primal Forces, you can no more divide her spirit from flesh than you can life from death, there is a natural order to her being (EXISTENCE) as to yours, and all creation"
DEATH speaks about Galactus BREAKING the "Eternal Pattern"
"violate at your own peril"
Galactus then says,
"my sustenance is living Planets, the Phoenix can Obliterate an entire Cosmos"
Then Death responds with,
"and FROM that DEATH (Obliterate an entire Cosmos) Bring about New Life but you're CHANGING that, BREAKING the ETERNAL PATTERN"
The "obliterate the cosmos" and the "new life" refer to what Phoenix IS - the spark that ignites the universal big bang. If Galactus erases the PF, the "eternal pattern" is screwed because there's no new big bang and no new life.
Similarly, The Ultimator can be killed but like the PF, destroying it will also be very bad for existence.
Originally posted by Nikkolas
Yeah, Guy. Phoenix Force is not immortal. Look.(scans are courtesy of Mr. Master)
Galactus intended on Separating the Phoenix Force from Rachel Summers,
and have it returned to the Cosmos, even if it meant her Rachel's life.Rachel accepts her fate
"it's only one LIFE he wants ... I give it to him"
BUT
"Galactus the Stars, they are going out"
Then Roma says,
"THAT CHILD (Rachel Summers) IS PHOENIX, Living Embodiment of ONE of the Primal Forces, you can no more divide her spirit from flesh than you can life from death, there is a natural order to her being (EXISTENCE) as to yours, and all creation"
DEATH speaks about Galactus BREAKING the "Eternal Pattern"
"violate at your own peril"
Galactus then says,"my sustenance is living Planets, the Phoenix can Obliterate an entire Cosmos"
Then Death responds with,
"and FROM that DEATH (Obliterate an entire Cosmos) Bring about New Life but you're CHANGING that, BREAKING the ETERNAL PATTERN"
The "obliterate the cosmos" and the "new life" refer to what Phoenix IS - the spark that ignites the universal big bang. If Galactus erases the PF, the "eternal pattern" is screwed because there's no new big bang and no new life.
Similarly, The Ultimator can be killed but like the PF, destroying it will also be very bad for existence.
Cool scans 🙂
Galactus lost to Rachel Summers
Galactus didn't look impressive against Gravity
Big G is powerful. IMO, PF>Galactus
Before it turns into a barrage of insults, I am staying with the Force. It will always live
Originally posted by guy222
Cool scans 🙂Galactus lost to Rachel Summers
Galactus didn't look impressive against Gravity
Big G is powerful. IMO, PF>Galactus
Before it turns into a barrage of insults, I am staying with the Force. It will always live
IT will always live, but the Ultimator is every thing from the tenth on down and can't be destroyed. While the PF will always live, The Ultimator simply IS.
Originally posted by guy222The scans prove it is able to be destroyed however.
Cool scans 🙂Galactus lost to Rachel Summers
Galactus didn't look impressive against Gravity
Big G is powerful. IMO, PF>Galactus
Before it turns into a barrage of insults, I am staying with the Force. It will always live
Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
IT will always live, but the Ultimator is every thing from the tenth on down and can't be destroyed. While the PF will always live, The Ultimator simply IS.
NO. The ultimator beats the crap out of the PF. The 5D imps are superior to the PF in everyway. They are all immortal as well. The Ultimator simply absorbs them into his being. Ultimator>>>>>>>>>>>>5Dimps>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>PF
Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
IT will always live, but the Ultimator is every thing from the tenth on down and can't be destroyed. While the PF will always live, The Ultimator simply IS.
It was Galactus' intention to separate the Force from Rachel, thats what he said he was going to do and thats what Roma later cautioned him against doing.
What people are wrong in doing is assuming that because the stars were going that Galactus was killing the Force or wiping it out of existence. That is not stated anywhere on panel and neither is it depicted. You are just seeing what you want to see on panel, you are not relaying what is just stated clear as day for all to see.
The stars started fading because Galactus was disrupting nature by severing the bond between Phoenix and its avatar. The Phoenix manifests on the physical plane via an avatar to carry out its Phoenix work. Galactus was attempting to wrench the Force from Rachel.
"There is a natural order to her being" Rachels being, her bond with the Force is part of the natural order.
"As to yours" Just like Galactus' being is part of the natural order
"And all creation" Just like there a natural order to creation itself.
Romas basically saying that Rachel in her role as a host for the Phoenix Force is as much a part of the natural of scheme of things as Galactus and as creation itself.
Roma said:
"You can no more divide her spirit from flesh than you can life from death, there is a natural order to her being as to yours, and all creation"
In other words he cant separate Rachel from the Force as that bond is as much a part of the natural order of things as both Galactus and creation itself.
Roma then says "Violate it (said bond she talked of) at your peril"
Galactus then tries to justify his actions
"My sustenance is living planets, the Phoenix can obliterate an entire cosmos"
by saying he only eats planets while Phoenix can destroy the cosmos.
Death talks about the benefits of the Phoenix "And from that death bring about new life."
Death then berates Galactus' actions as Roma did "But youre changing that, breaking the eternal pattern"
How is Galactus doing that? What did Galactus say the machine was doing?
Seperating the Force from Rachel and returning it to the universe.
AFTER the stars started fading did Roma criticize Galactus for killing or erasing the Force or did she merely berate him for separating the Force from Rachel?
"You can no more divide her spirit from flesh than you can life from death"
Thats what i thought.
Why?
"there is a natural order to her being"
Precisely.
WHERE does it say the Force is going to die or be erased from existence through Galactus' attempts to separate the two?
Roma berated Galactus for being silly enough to separate the two(The Force and Rachel) because her being(her role as an avatar) is as much a part of nature as Galactus or creation itself. (The wielding of the Force being said to be a birthright of the Grey family) Hence the reason why the stars were fading. Because Galactus was disrupting that natural bond.
As death said "breaking that eternal pattern"
