Originally posted by Charlotte DeBel
Well, her fight with Sage is "hand-to-hand skills of 10 years old"? Probably very skilled 10 years old.
On astral plane, Psylocke is pwned 9-10/10
On physical plane of realm, it's stalemate.
Nah.
As a 'corporeal form', Psylocke's psycho-blasts are no weaker than Emma's psibolts, possibly stronger, and still she hasn't done anything to make me think Emma is leagues ahead of Psylocke.
On the astral plan, while certain people would think the nexus crystal is PSI - it still doesn't demean the fact that the whole thing was created by Psylocke's immensely powerful attack disabling every psi mind in the world - including Emma.
Not to mention that the crimson dawn and precog give her an extra boost on the astral plane.
Sometimes I wish Emma becomes MarySue character for some writer...just like Psylocke or Storm for Claremont.
But it's unnesessary to gain popularity and flashy feats at THAT cost.
No PSI- it stands for psionic, but PIS- plot induced stupidity. Psi war was just a random crisis created by random tool...Psylocke isn't better than Nate Grey, for example...so it was circumstances that created the effect, and not the OVERWHELMING PSYLOCKE's POWER that was able to seal astral plane for some time. Any desent telepath in those circumstances could replicate the feat. It was just Psylocke's time to shine.
Originally posted by What If...
😕I'm not sure, is Emma immune to psychic attacks in her diamond form?
Not to mention her pre-cog, but I'm indifferent - telepathic battles always confuse me.
Yeah her Diamond Form makes her immune to psychic attacks. Nothing gets in or out.
This is from the Warsong Mini:
http://img340.imageshack.us/my.php?image=xmenphoenixwarsong3014hr6.jpg
From New X-Men #126 Cassie can't read Emma's mind because it's prismed.
Funny enough Emma and the Cuckoos are Pre-cogs as well.
Originally posted by What If...
Nah.As a 'corporeal form', Psylocke's psycho-blasts are no weaker than Emma's psibolts, possibly stronger, and still she hasn't done anything to make me think Emma is leagues ahead of Psylocke.
On the astral plan, while certain people would think the nexus crystal is PSI - it still doesn't demean the fact that the whole thing was created by Psylocke's immensely powerful attack disabling every psi mind in the world - including Emma.
Not to mention that the crimson dawn and precog give her an extra boost on the astral plane.
Emma did bring down a building with a Psi-Bolt.
http://img164.imageshack.us/my.php?image=uncanny20xmen2019800320on7.jpg
Here check it out, the whole thing wasn't created by Psylocke. The Shadow King set up a trap which when ignited by Psylocke caused a domino/cascade effect. The One thought that triggered it became millions of thoughts and that blocked off every other telepath from the Astral Plane. So what she did was basically get tricked into flicking down one piece of dominos and that ignited the trap. The Shadow King then becomes arrogant and he leaves his nexus unguarded...apparently a mistake not even amateur telepaths would make. And she destroys his nexus which traps him in the Astral Plane.
IRRC Psylocke started off as a weak pre-cog, then her abilities increased after she almost got raped. She joined Psi-Force then the X-Men. Pink Bubblegum Psylocke had superior telepathic abilities then Ninja Psylocke, but once Revanche died those abilities returned. And the Crimson Dawn gave her an added boost. But even with that boost Psylocke didn't do anything impressive with her telepathy. 😬
In Diamond Form, Psylocke can't hurt Emma. Emma doesn't faitgue, she doesn't need to drink or eat and her H2H skills aren't great but they aren't terrible either. With Super Strength and Durability she was able to hold her own against Sage. Ninja Kitty hurt herself when she hit Diamond Emma during their fight in AXM. So it may take some time for Betsy to tire but eventually she will and that's when Emma will take the win.
As for pure Astral Fight, I still stand with my original analysis of the Astral Plane fight. It's never been Psylockes forte and she doesn't have many impressive feats with telepathy. I can't think of anything major she's done with her telepathy after the body switch she became more H2H orientated. Bubblegum Psylocke had a lot of really bad showings, and Crimson Dawn Psylocke never did much.
IRRC Psylocke started off as a weak pre-cog, then her abilities increased after she almost got raped. She joined Psi-Force then the X-Men. Pink Bubblegum Psylocke had superior telepathic abilities then Ninja Psylocke, but once Revanche died those abilities returned. And the Crimson Dawn gave her an added boost. But even with that boost Psylocke didn't do anything impressive with her telepathy. 😬In Diamond Form, Psylocke can't hurt Emma. Emma doesn't faitgue, she doesn't need to drink or eat and her H2H skills aren't great but they aren't terrible either. With Super Strength and Durability she was able to hold her own against Sage. Ninja Kitty hurt herself when she hit Diamond Emma during their fight in AXM. So it may take some time for Betsy to tire but eventually she will and that's when Emma will take the win.
As for pure Astral Fight, I still stand with my original analysis of the Astral Plane fight. It's never been Psylockes forte and she doesn't have many impressive feats with telepathy. I can't think of anything major she's done with her telepathy after the body switch she became more H2H orientated. Bubblegum Psylocke had a lot of really bad showings, and Crimson Dawn Psylocke never did much.[/center] [/B]
Exactly my train of thought - through all the resurrections, body switches, etc. Psylocke really doesn't have that many feats - but from the beginning her telepathy has increase 10 fold, and from the beginning it was constantly said she was high tier. It's similar to Sentry - you are told he is high tier but yet he doesn't really have the feats yet.
Once the body switch took place and Psylocke became purely combatant, most of her feats took place by the psychic blade and not the direct mind like most telepaths.
In the Psi Wars arch, when her body was transformed into the a shadow astral form, instead of a basic astral form, it was mentioned she had discovered only some of the potential. Wishful thinking for me, but the potential was never really dug into by any writers.
Was there a reason she was undetectable to the shadow king, or was that just a powerset given within her astral shadow form?
