Jenny Sparks vs Storm

Started by Creshosk14 pages

Originally posted by Swanky-Tuna
It was a joke. He was questioning whether Jenny has sub-atomic control over electricity. Electrons are sub-atomic particles are they not? By default, anyone who manually controls electricity is doing so on the sub-atomic level.

I was going to say something like "electricity ore" or "electricity rock" but I thought that would be too obvious but I guess I wasn't obvious enough.

Whoops. Sorry Swanky. I thought there was something odd there but didn't quite pick up on it. 😮

Originally posted by Creshosk
Whoops. Sorry Swanky. I thought there was something odd there but didn't quite pick up on it. 😮

sorry swank. no faith, and for that i am ashamed . . . 😮

Originally posted by Swanky-Tuna
It was a joke. He was questioning whether Jenny has sub-atomic control over electricity. Electrons are sub-atomic particles are they not? By default, anyone who manually controls electricity is doing so on the sub-atomic level.

Not really.

It's completely indirect; as you say, "by default"

We "control electricity" everyday. It's not the same as consciously and psionically causing electrons to flow.

I doub't Jenny could perform electrolysis without killing everyone in the water with her, or pull plasma out of the open air, or from a Star, or manipulate Gamma Radiation, Sola Winds, etc. etc.

Until her powers are explained in that being the way they work, she doesn't get that deep.

Powers: Jenny can transform from flesh to living electricity. She uses this ability in a variety of ways; she can travel along communications and electrical wires. She can deliver electric shocks that vary in intensity, from the slight jolt one would get from a build up of static electricity to fatal electrocutions. If she is fighting in a thunderstorm she can somewhat direct the lightning to her advantage, but that never happens often. Jenny can draw upon power grids for extra power; she does this as little as possible being concerned with the havoc that can cause for the people and homes on the grids. She can, with effort, expand her appearance to tower over buildings and fill up the sky -- she has only done this ONCE in a dire situation and was nearly comatose for a week afterward. With effort she can communicate by hijacking radio signals, although she complain that it gives her headaches. Also transforming from flesh to electricity and back to flesh purges her system of toxins (something she loathes to do since she likes to be drunk and comfortably numb) Jenny is powerful and she knows it; she also know the meaning of the word "restraint." Jenny does not know why she stopped aging at age twenty; privately she thinks it's a childish prank the universe is playing on her.

Weaknesses: Obviously if an opponent is sufficiently insulated, any of Jenny's attacks has limited, if any, effect. Jenny is an alcoholic; she does her best not to let it effect any missions she might be on, but sometimes that bottle/flask/whatever looks mighty tempting. She suffers the occasional bout of depression. Also Jenny firmly believes in equality between humans and mutants, this likely to be a source of friction with any mutant who might believe in the superiority of mutants, however slight.

Storm has the psionic ability to control all forms of weather. She can control wind, lightning, and generate all naturally occurring forms of precipitation. In addition, Storm can reduce or raise the temperature of her environment and use winds to elevate herself and fly at high speeds. Storm is highly immune to the effects of all weather, most notably lightning and extreme heat and cold. Among the more unusual manifestations of her power is the coalescence of toxic atmospheric pollutants into acid rain or toxic fog.

Besides the atmosphere, Storm has additionally demonstrated the ability to control natural forces that include cosmic storms, ocean currents, and electromagnetic energy. On one occasion, Storm manipulates the solar wind to destroy a Sentinel. On another, Storm summons the power of a galactic core to purge a Brood implant from her body.[2] On earth, Storm has used her power to manipulate ocean currents and tides. Storm has shown the ability to alter her visual perceptions so as to see the universe as multi-colored energy patterns, detecting the ebb and flow of energy behind weather phenomena, machines, and nervous systems. During the Marvel event "Civil War," Storm creates an electromagnetic pulse in the brain of Thor's clone. Storm's abilities are limited by her willpower and the strength of her body.[2]

Storm's mutant powers keep her in sync with the weather and her surrounding environment. As a consequence, Storm often suppresses extreme feelings to prevent her emotional state from resulting in violent weather. She has also been shown to sensitive to the dynamics of the natural world. For example, she has sensed a diseased and dying tree on the X-Men mansion grounds, felt the gravitational exertion of the moon on the tides, and detected the incorrect motion of a hurricane in the Northern Hemisphere.

Given Storm has shown more detailed, larger, and varied control over the Spectrum. I think it is unlikely that Jenny could drain electrcity from her brain waves.

So far, it's a stalemate IMO.

Originally posted by ExodusCloak
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Originally posted by complexbrother
if you place all of Storm's feats (the ones that are cannon), and all of Jenny's feats side by side you would see that Storm has no way to survive what Jenny has to bring to the table. Jenny for the win 10 / 10 .

(and I am a Storm fan)

Originally posted by DigiMark007
Jenny is electricity. Once she converts, there's no real way to harm her unless Storm can manipulate Jenny (open for debate, but I'd say no). Also, Jenny has shut down the electromagnetic pulses in peoples' brains more than once. Brain-dead Orroro ftw.
Originally posted by Creshosk
I'm thinking that'd be like using other forms of electricity... Against a person who is electricity. Would probably only fuel her more.
Storm loses.

Originally posted by 2damnloud
Not really.
Ya Rly.

Originally posted by 2damnloud
It's completely indirect; as you say, "by default"

We "control electricity" everyday. It's not the same as consciously and psionically causing electrons to flow.

But consciously causing electrons to flow is controlling the mon a subatomic level. Jenny can control them on a subatomic level.

Originally posted by 2damnloud
I doub't Jenny could perform electrolysis without killing everyone in the water with her, or pull plasma out of the open air, or from a Star, or manipulate Gamma Radiation, Sola Winds, etc. etc.
Why couldn't she? She can pull it out of humans. Humans are not exactly the best source now are they?

Originally posted by 2damnloud
Until her powers are explained in that being the way they work, she doesn't get that deep.
She just contorols electircity. What more explination do you need?

What if the same restriction was put on you?

Storm can't do anything until you explain in the minutest of detail how she psionically controlls anything. What exactly does her x-gene do? what chemical process or what have you? I want specific formulas. Otherwise she can't do diddly.

Sounds kinda lame doesn't it?

Originally posted by 2damnloud

Powers: Jenny can transform from flesh to living electricity. She uses this ability in a variety of ways; she can travel along communications and electrical wires. She can deliver electric shocks that vary in intensity, from the slight jolt one would get from a build up of static electricity to fatal electrocutions. If she is fighting in a thunderstorm she can somewhat direct the lightning to her advantage, but that never happens often. Jenny can draw upon power grids for extra power; she does this as little as possible being concerned with the havoc that can cause for the people and homes on the grids. She can, with effort, expand her appearance to tower over buildings and fill up the sky -- she has only done this ONCE in a dire situation and was nearly comatose for a week afterward. With effort she can communicate by hijacking radio signals, although she complain that it gives her headaches. Also transforming from flesh to electricity and back to flesh purges her system of toxins (something she loathes to do since she likes to be drunk and comfortably numb) Jenny is powerful and she knows it; she also know the meaning of the word "restraint." Jenny does not know why she stopped aging at age twenty; privately she thinks it's a childish prank the universe is playing on her.

Weaknesses: Obviously if an opponent is sufficiently insulated, any of Jenny's attacks has limited, if any, effect. Jenny is an alcoholic; she does her best not to let it effect any missions she might be on, but sometimes that bottle/flask/whatever looks mighty tempting. She suffers the occasional bout of depression. Also Jenny firmly believes in equality between humans and mutants, this likely to be a source of friction with any mutant who might believe in the superiority of mutants, however slight.

Storm has the psionic ability to control all forms of weather. She can control wind, lightning, and generate all naturally occurring forms of precipitation. In addition, Storm can reduce or raise the temperature of her environment and use winds to elevate herself and fly at high speeds. Storm is highly immune to the effects of all weather, most notably lightning and extreme heat and cold. Among the more unusual manifestations of her power is the coalescence of toxic atmospheric pollutants into acid rain or toxic fog.

Besides the atmosphere, Storm has additionally demonstrated the ability to control natural forces that include cosmic storms, ocean currents, and electromagnetic energy. On one occasion, Storm manipulates the solar wind to destroy a Sentinel. On another, Storm summons the power of a galactic core to purge a Brood implant from her body.[2] On earth, Storm has used her power to manipulate ocean currents and tides. Storm has shown the ability to alter her visual perceptions so as to see the universe as multi-colored energy patterns, detecting the ebb and flow of energy behind weather phenomena, machines, and nervous systems. During the Marvel event "Civil War," Storm creates an electromagnetic pulse in the brain of Thor's clone. Storm's abilities are limited by her willpower and the strength of her body.[2]

Storm's mutant powers keep her in sync with the weather and her surrounding environment. As a consequence, Storm often suppresses extreme feelings to prevent her emotional state from resulting in violent weather. She has also been shown to sensitive to the dynamics of the natural world. For example, she has sensed a diseased and dying tree on the X-Men mansion grounds, felt the gravitational exertion of the moon on the tides, and detected the incorrect motion of a hurricane in the Northern Hemisphere.

You evicerate that from wikipedia?

"Emma Frost stated that Jubilee had unlimited potential and was one of the most powerful mutants she had ever encountered."

Isn't Wikipedia great?

Originally posted by 2damnloud
Given Storm has shown more detailed, larger, and varied control over the Spectrum. I think it is unlikely that Jenny could drain electrcity from her brain waves.quote] There's a nonsequiter. Because storm can do more things with her powers (that doesn't include specific sheilding of what Jenny can do) Jenny can't do the things she normally can do?

[QUOTE=8957662]Originally posted by 2damnloud
So far, it's a stalemate IMO.

Well at least we're getting somewhere... However what exactly will Storm do to a 100 foot tall being made of electricity that has absolute control of it?

Originally posted by Creshosk
Ya Rly.

Nope.

Originally posted by Creshosk
But consciously causing electrons to flow is controlling the mon a subatomic level. Jenny can control them on a subatomic level.

Show her doing it.

Originally posted by Creshosk
Why couldn't she? She can pull it out of humans. Humans are not exactly the best source now are they?

😕 Fallacy??

Maybe, but until she does.....The most she can do is fool with the charge, or better yet CURRENT. Nothing has been put forth to suggest manipulation of the electricity in particle form or using her powers on an atomic or molecular level.

Originally posted by Creshosk

Storm can't do anything until you explain in the minutest of detail how she psionically controlls anything. What exactly does her x-gene do? what chemical process or what have you? I want specific formulas. Otherwise she can't do diddly.

Sounds kinda lame doesn't it?

Did I use this logic?? Nope.

Originally posted by Creshosk

You evicerate that from wikipedia?

"Emma Frost stated that Jubilee had unlimited potential and was one of the most powerful mutants she had ever encountered."

Isn't Wikipedia great?

Only Storm's bio comes from Wiki. 😎

Originally posted by Creshosk

Well at least we're getting somewhere... However what exactly will Storm do to a 100 foot tall being made of electricity that has absolute control of it?

What exactly will Jenny do to Ororo??

Stalemate.

Originally posted by 2damnloud
Nope.
Because controlling sub-atomic particles has nothign to do with sub-atomic particle control?

Originally posted by 2damnloud
Show her doing it.
Look at any post of her controlling electricity. 🙄

Originally posted by 2damnloud

😕 Fallacy??

Maybe, but until she does.....The most she can do is fool with the charge, or better yet CURRENT. Nothing has been put forth to suggest manipulation of the electricity in particle form or using her powers on an atomic or molecular level.

Good lord... Do you know ANYTHING about electricity?

Electricity is sub-atomic particles. it is not atoms or molecules. electricity is composed of electrons... Electrons are sub-atomic particles. They compose atoms along with neutrons and protons.

Originally posted by 2damnloud
Did I use this logic?? Nope.

Yeah.. you did:

"Until her powers are explained in that being the way they work, she doesn't get that deep."

Originally posted by 2damnloud
Only Storm's bio comes from Wiki. 😎
Totally missed where I pointed out an incorrect Jubilee wikipedia bit, didn't you?

Originally posted by 2damnloud
What exactly will Jenny do to Ororo??
Electricute her, like she's been electricuted in the past.

Originally posted by 2damnloud
Stalemate.
Noo....

Storm is not immune to electricity.

It's still a stalemate.

Nothing has been put forth to state otherwise.

Sorry.

Originally posted by 2damnloud
It's still a stalemate.

Nothing has been put forth to state otherwise.

Sorry.

Why? Because you like Storm?

Eesh, I'll even admit my favorite character will lose to alot of people.

But why couldn't Jenny electrocute her in the same manner as she took out the alien ships or the alien who created the Earth?

Storm isn't immune to electricity and has been brought down in the past by it.

Originally posted by Creshosk
Why? Because you like Storm?

Eesh, I'll even admit my favorite character will lose to alot of people.

But why couldn't Jenny electrocute her in the same manner as she took out the alien ships or the alien who created the Earth?

Storm isn't immune to electricity and has been brought down in the past by it.

And she also has not.

Storm's power levels flucutate ALOT depending on the story. That's the consequence of being as powerful as she is. Those instances negate her powerset to control and channel incomprehensible electrical forces. Even Magneto stated her body would compensate if not cuaght off gaurd and also with a healthy nervous system. It's apart of her power to be highly resistant and almost immune to electrical and electromagnetic forces.

On KMC, Characters fight to the best of their ability.

I think it would be a stalemate. I don't know how Storm could win, and I don't see Jenny winning without negating most of Storm's power over electricity.

Originally posted by 2damnloud
And she also has not.

Storm's power levels flucutate ALOT depending on the story. That's the consequence of being as powerful as she is. Those instances negate her powerset to control and channel incomprehensible electrical forces. Even Magneto stated her body would compensate if not cuaght off gaurd and also with a healthy nervous system. It's apart of her power to be highly resistant and almost immune to electrical and electromagnetic forces.

On KMC, Characters fight to the best of their ability.

I think it would be a stalemate. I don't know how Storm could win, and I don't see Jenny winning without negating most of Storm's power over electricity.

And how would Magneto know this about her?

Ha!.. being cauhgt off guard her system should have compensated.. since they didn't... 😂

Looked like she was conciously fighting in that one with magnets before going down.

almost immune is not good enough. Do you have any idea how much power it'd take to take out alien ships? No? Howe about frying the equivilent of a celestial's mind?

You know aliens that created Earth?

Yeah, nearly immune means nearly alive... which is to say. Not.

Originally posted by Creshosk
And how would Magneto know this about her?

Ha!.. being cauhgt off guard her system should have compensated.. since they didn't... 😂

Looked like she was conciously fighting in that one with magnets before going down.

almost immune is not good enough. Do you have any idea how much power it'd take to take out alien ships? No? Howe about frying the equivilent of a celestial's mind?

You know aliens that created Earth?

Yeah, nearly immune means nearly alive... which is to say. Not.

Well, we'll agree to disagree.

Stalemate.

Originally posted by 2damnloud
Well, we'll agree to disagree.

Stalemate.

Okay.. now I totally don't understand why people say you're unreasonable.

You passed the test. 😄

Jenny Sparks was not comatose for a week after projecting her electrical form and frying the fleet of shiftships. That bio is full of shit. Jenny is electricity. Jenny owns electricity. She has a hundred years of experience using her powers. Storm dies.

Originally posted by xmarksthespot
Jenny Sparks was not comatose for a week after projecting her electrical form and frying the fleet of shiftships. That bio is full of shit. Jenny is electricity. Jenny owns electricity. She has a hundred years of experience using her powers. Storm dies.

Stalemate until proven otherwise.

Deal with itshocklaugh

Originally posted by xmarksthespot
Jenny Sparks was not comatose for a week after projecting her electrical form and frying the fleet of shiftships. That bio is full of shit. Jenny is electricity. Jenny owns electricity. She has a hundred years of experience using her powers. Storm dies.
I didn't even bother to read the bios that were posted. I figured they were from wikipedia and thus suspect.


🙂

Originally posted by xmarksthespot

🙂

😎

Originally posted by xmarksthespot

🙂
Ah, it was from my post you read the bio.

Should I feel bad for indirectly relaying that garbage to you?

Originally posted by Creshosk
I didn't even bother to read the bios that were posted. I figured they were from wikipedia and thus suspect.

bring some proof disputing it then.