Darth Krayt.... Whos is he??

Originally posted by Darth Scythe
Debate his power or not, I will say this: Darth Krayt built the Sith order up to be strong enough to mount a full assault on the Jedi Temple on Ossus and succeed. I contest that Anakin did the same thing since the Coruscant Temple at the time was without its strongest, and full compliment of Masters and Knights.

So in my opinion, Krayt did something that was never done before.

This is true. Krayt may turn out to be someone who we have never heard of. He could also be related to someone???

While we don't know how powerful Krayt may be, that fact is he and his followers are Sith in name only, all the teachings of the Sith order died with Palpatine.

Besides, thus far Krayt's order has yet to do anything terribly impressive. The "sith" sent to deal with the Jedi at Ossus were getting owned by Padawans for gods sake.

Originally posted by Pwned61
While we don't know how powerful Krayt may be, that fact is he and his followers are Sith in name only, all the teachings of the Sith order died with Palpatine.

What about Jacen and Lumiya?

Originally posted by exanda kane
What about Jacen and Lumiya?

In terms of continuity, the Sith are absolutely extinct. Lumiya did not receive anything but scraps (she's like Asajj Ventress), and that means that Jacen will get even less.

Originally posted by IOU
oh well if you can almost assure me, then krayt cant possibly be powerful... 🙄

yeah, right, now what u need 2 understand is that these are two sith spirits that care for nothing except the future of the sith order and the darkside, and that krayts personal power in combat, unless it could be used for their goals, was entirely irrelevant to them, as it didnt change the fact that krayt had created a flawed system of sith lords that would inevitably self destruct

fact is, respect could never be gained from power unless it could be used to further their goals, and in krayts case it couldnt, bottom line

right, so because the bod too followed teachings that bane disagreed with, and because bane never labels them with the exacts same terminology that he does with krayts order, than that similarity cant possibly be why he labels krayt a pretender? lol, i dont even know where to begin with this. did you ever even stop to consider that drew k didnt feel like fully elaborating on every single one of banes thoughts? or perhaps the exact thought never properly entered banes head? seriously man, this argument is humorous at best, not to mention the fact that its inaccurate anyways, seeing as bane did in fact as good as label the bod pretenders - "revan had been a true sith lord, unlike the simpering masters who bowed to kaan and his brotherhood." - so as you can see, bane's basically labelling the bod as phonies, which is essentially what he does with krayt

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point is, krayt can be the most powerful sith lord ever, yet if he lacks the necessary knowledge for some techniques, that power is useless and cant possibly be applied. now in case u hadnt noticed, krayts armour consists of yuuzhan vong lifeforms, life with which you need to be able to tap into the unifying force to sense and affect, and its certainly plausible that krayt might just not know how to tap into that frequency of the force, especially considering the vast majority of the njo couldnt even do such a thing. point is, its far more logical to deduce that krayt lacks the knowledge to control his armour, not the power, given knowledge is what he actually goes to the sith spirits for, and how much power do you honestly think it would take to control such simple and relatively weak lifeforms, given the correct knowledge? please, krayts hardly as weak as ur trying to make him out to be, no dark lord of the sith is

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not that i care for proving such a thing (all i wanted was for you to prove your claims), and not that its up to me to do so (seeing as it was you who made the claim), but entering into combat with four elite imperial knights at once, and slaughtering every single one makes it pretty conclusive that krayts quite the powerhouse [/B]

1st argument: Well, you know, Sith only care about POWER, probably if Bane, Anddedu, and Nihilus would've seen potential in Krayt to continue with the Sith Order, they would've helped him.

2nd: Yeah, I must admit I didn't know about the "revan had been a true sith lord, unlike the simpering masters who bowed to kaan and his brotherhood.", so you're right about that, but as you can see, Kaan and his Brotherhood were actually WEAK.

3rd: Do you have any sort of proof how powerful these elite imperial knights were? Because of what we could see, they were a bunch of weaklings.

And in case you're forgetting, the whole point about Bane, Anddedu, and Nihilus caring about the future of the Sith Order is true, because they wanted to keep the Order POWERFUL, a thing Krayt wasn't doing so well.

Originally posted by Pwned61
While we don't know how powerful Krayt may be, that fact is he and his followers are Sith in name only, all the teachings of the Sith order died with Palpatine.

[B]Besides, thus far Krayt's order has yet to do anything terribly impressive. The "sith" sent to deal with the Jedi at Ossus were getting owned by Padawans for gods sake. [/B]

I don't know about your first arguement because that's another can of worms, but getting owned by padawans? I'm pretty sure it was called the Massacre at Ossus because the Jedi got, well massacred. death

No, they only beat the Jedi because there were a hell of a lot more "Sith" than Jedi. Cade, a 14 year old Padwan, and the other Jedi took many "Sith" at the same time, and actually killed them with EASE. You haven't read any of the Legacy comics, have you?

Originally posted by Riverollv
No, they only beat the Jedi because there were a hell of a lot more "Sith" than Jedi. Cade, a 14 year old Padwan, and the other Jedi took many "Sith" at the same time, and actually killed them with EASE. You haven't read any of the Legacy comics, have you?

1. Don't ask me sarcastically like that.

2. I actually have read them, hombre.

3. I'm not saying the Sith there were supposed to be strong. I'm saying Darth Krayt gets credit for building up an army capable of doing what he did. People like to make assumptions and split hairs around here, huh?

4. Cade Skywalker is not just some Padawan. That's like acting like Anakin or Jacen were 'only' knights.

Originally posted by Riverollv
1st argument: Well, you know, Sith only care about POWER, probably if Bane, Anddedu, and Nihilus would've seen potential in Krayt to continue with the Sith Order, they would've helped him.

riverollv, if ur just goin to ignore my arguments, i see no reason why i should continue replying

i gave a sufficient explanation in my last post; read it: "yeah, right, now what u need 2 understand is that these are two sith spirits that care for nothing except the future of the sith order and the darkside, and that krayts personal power in combat, unless it could be used for their goals, was entirely irrelevant to them, as it didnt change the fact that krayt had created a flawed system of sith lords that would inevitably self destruct"

i also actually find it quite comedic that u feel typing out 'power' in caplocks makes your case stronger, because believe me, it doesnt. as ive said before, krayts personal level of power in combat is irrelevant when it doesnt change the fact that the future of the sith order (all that the sith lords truly care about) was doomed

for the record, sith care about their own power, not the power of other people, especially when it cant even be used to further their own goals

2nd: Yeah, I must admit I didn't know about the "revan had been a true sith lord, unlike the simpering masters who bowed to kaan and his brotherhood.", so you're right about that,

no, i was right about everything, not just that

but as you can see, Kaan and his Brotherhood were actually WEAK.

again, your failing to spot the connection. personal power in combat has nothing to do with it, its the flawed ideals that both the bod and krayts order followed that made them considered as being pseudo sith; nothing else

3rd: Do you have any sort of proof how powerful these elite imperial knights were?

they were some of fells most trusted knights, out of an entire order of them, so it can be safely assumed that they were on jedi master level

and krayt slaughtered 4 of them at once

Because of what we could see, they were a bunch of weaklings.

just like krayt, huh? 🙄

And in case you're forgetting, the whole point about Bane, Anddedu, and Nihilus caring about the future of the Sith Order is true, because they wanted to keep the Order POWERFUL, a thing Krayt wasn't doing so well.

dude, first up, were talking about krayts personal power in combat, not the prosperity of the sith order (you seem to be mixing them up), which is what the sith truly cared about indeed, and as ive been trying to explain to you, krayt '[not] doing so well' is due to him having flawed ideals, which has NOTHING to do with how powerful he is

Originally posted by Darth Scythe
1. Don't ask me sarcastically like that.

2. I actually have read them, hombre.

3. I'm not saying the Sith there were supposed to be strong. I'm saying Darth Krayt gets credit for building up an army capable of doing what he did. People like to make assumptions and split hairs around here, huh?

4. Cade Skywalker is not just some Padawan. That's like acting like Anakin or Jacen were 'only' knights.

I never said the Jedi were not massacred, I was just pointing out there was a reason for that, and the Sith who massacred the Jedi are actually very weak. I didn't try to disagree with you.
Cade being an above-average padawan doesn't make the Sith strong. And actually other average Padawans accompanying Cade killed the Sith with the same ease as he did.

Originally posted by IOU
they were some of fells most trusted knights, out of an entire order of them, so it can be safely assumed that they were on jedi master level

and krayt slaughtered 4 of them at once

just like krayt, huh? 🙄

No, not just like Krayt. Okay, I admit I exaggerated when I said "patheticly weak", but I do not consider Krayt to be powerful.

Please, I need some real proof. You cannot prove those knights were at jedi master level, it cannot be safely assumed. As far as we know, these Order of Imperial Knights could be filled with average knights. Give me some real proof about Krayt's power and I'll believe you. Also, the point of this discussion is about Krayt's power, so let's keep it that way from now on (that includes me as well).

No, not just like Krayt. Okay, I admit I exaggerated when I said "patheticly weak", but I do not consider Krayt to be powerful.

fair enough, i personally view him as being pretty powerful, though nothing too special

Please, I need some real proof. You cannot prove those knights were at jedi master level, you're just assuming.

i am assuming indeed, but id say its a safe assumption, given that those particular knights were clearly some of the best in their entire order, and likely of the imperial knight equivalent of master rank

Give me some real proof about Krayt's power and I'll believe you.

well theres that, plus he possesses the vonduun crab armour which is highly resistant to the lightsaber (with only a few weakspots) making him extremely deadly in a lightsaber duel, for instance hed be able to afford to let down his guard and focus purely on offense, melee attacks wouldnt leave him vulnerable, hed even be able to do such unorthodox manoeuvres such as grabbing his opponents lightsaber away from him, or even use his arms as a shield, maybe even surprise his opponent with such manoeuvres... u get the picture right?

lets see what else... he was able to rule above an entire order of darksiders and keep them in line for over a century, one strong enough to wipe out the jedi (granted with a little help from the empire), and one that was strong enough to use the darkside of korriban to hide themselves from the njo

he was described as 'ancient and deadly' under his bio in legacy #1, and had spent over a hundred years growing in power

i think thats pretty much it, but it should also be noted that weve clearly yet to see the best of krayt, and thats not too bad a list of feats to be drawn from so little appearances in sw media

Originally posted by IOU
i am assuming indeed, but id say its a safe assumption, given that those particular knights were clearly some of the best in their entire order, and likely of the imperial knight equivalent of master rank

well theres that, plus he possesses the vonduun crab armour which is highly resistant to the lightsaber (with only a few weakspots) making him extremely deadly in a lightsaber duel, for instance hed be able to afford to let down his guard and focus purely on offense, melee attacks wouldnt leave him vulnerable, hed even be able to do such unorthodox manoeuvres such as grabbing his opponents lightsaber away from him, or even use his arms as a shield, maybe even surprise his opponent with such manoeuvres... u get the picture right?

lets see what else... he was able to rule above an entire order of darksiders and keep them in line for over a century, one strong enough to wipe out the jedi (granted with a little help from the empire), and one that was strong enough to use the darkside of korriban to hide themselves from the njo

he was described as 'ancient and deadly' under his bio in legacy #1, and had spent over a hundred years growing in power

i think thats pretty much it, but it should also be noted that weve clearly yet to see the best of krayt, and thats not too bad a list of feats to be drawn from so little appearances in sw media

Well, I still don't consider Krayt to be that powerful, but I think I might reconsider and dare to say he's not weak.

Yes, I know those Knights were the prime of their order, but the point is we don't know if their order equals the Jedi Order in terms of ranks or power.

How about Krayt being Ben Skywalker?

He would be way TOO old, I don't think so.

A decedent of Revan.

no way. that would be the stupidest thing star wars ever thought of.

Originally posted by Null ARC Avis
no way. that would be the stupidest thing star wars ever thought of.

I was being sarcastic, of course that would a dumb idea!
Man, That was Dee-Dee-Dee-Delicious.

Originally posted by Pwned61
Well, Lightsnake told me about the theory of it being A'Sharad, and it made sense. Particularly the ending of the skywalker line when he had the chance.

Originally posted by Riverollv
He would be way TOO old, I don't think so.