Dc vs Marvel.....not what you think
no this isnt any sort of battle between any characters from either side. I simply want to know in your honest oppinion which of these two companies do you feel is the most progressive and more realistic and modern, and which do you feel is strickly more kiddy stuff material?
Please provide an explination for your answer on why you feel this way....oh and plese let's not start bashing eachothers comments
Well DC is better affiliated with some companies that do awesome stories and they themselves have had incredible stories as have marvel, but to me it seems DC when they want can turn things up they just have to realise people will buy their comics whether superman wins or not. Instead they keep of fuc.... up their hierarchy having superman challenge people that should be able to blink him out of existence e.g Darksied. Whereas you have Marvel who seem to have a set hierarchy excluding Galactus therefore isolating themselves from ridicule and rolling of the eyes moments.
Making this thread is just asking for DC/Marvel arguing. I always like Marvel because thats what my brother read. But I like certain DC characters like Superman & Martian Manhunter. Now they're insane characters in both like Wolverine with his jobber aura and the same with Batman. Wolverine having a chance against Hulk,Wendigo or anybody of that power set is retarded. Batman hurting Solomon Grundy and Darkseid is also retarded too.
DC's always felt very childish, apart from the awesomeness of Batman.
never got into the Superman comics, seemed like dull and simplistic stuff at the time.
The Flash was cool, a few great comic battles, some interesting cross-over issues (with other flashes, other villains etc).
GL stuff was very childish.
Takion was cool, sadly it was very difficult to find his comics at my local.
Marvel generally had the better 'character driven' comics. Spiderman was always an interesting read. X Factor was great. Transformers was fun and childish but was intentionally so.
Punisher was one of my fave comics, alongside the Batman comics and the occasional Surfer comic, when the story was involving.
Surfer was occasionally quite good and the character was definitely aimed at teens/early-twenties types, since there was a lot of meditation on metaphysical stuff - in a very superficial way, of course.
Doom was awesom, across the comics he appeared in.
Hulk was, and remains, a great combination of action and character. psychology and plot. definitely was more kiddie-ish back in the early '80s (I remember the garish hardback annuals and stuff 😖).
but Marvel's Heralds and Galactus are disgustingly neglected right now. the stories are more to establish the ascendance of formerly insignificant characters and to appeal to the rising (I guess) kiddy market 😖.
Marvel is/was overall, more adult and interesting.
wha?
Superman Returns was bloody good, aside from the cretinous Lex Luthor - worst performance by Kevin Spacey. ever.
it was quite a good story, well acted and steered away from the kiddie element of Superman - truth, justice, yadda yadda yadda - instead showing sacrifice, commitment, love and a sense of that alienation at the heart of superman.
X-men 3 on the otherhand, sucked so much I almost coughed up £50 (the standard rate for a bj in Amsterdam, I believe 😕 ).
it was the most pathetic piece of shit I've ever seen. it ruined the two preceeding movies, on account of its position in the arc.
Fantastic Four was watchable but nowhere near the entertaining and engaging spectacle one would expect.
Batman Begins was great!
Spiderman 3, was the best of the Spiderman series and a great movie on its own. quite surprising as the other two were boring.
my vote would have to be with marvel their character development has always seemed more realistic to me and more progressive you didnt get aquanted to the character because of his powers or what he could do or who he fight, but rather you get to know them for who they are how they were raised and what's going on in their life. The most evident of which is spider-man that is the key to his appeal every single person can easily sub in their lives in place of peter's and the story would be the exact same. Heck there dosent even have to be any fighting or any building up to some kind of story arc and you would still find his comic an interesting read. It's not just him but most marvel characters in general. And recently their civil war really drove it home for me that was a very adult topic to handle in a comic and they pulled it offf very well. I prefromed a controlled small scaled experiment with my copies of cw and showed them to some of my teachers and other students in my class and we were able to have a serious open ended debate about the whole registration topic. To be able to do this with a comic is showing just how progressive marvel is.
Originally posted by janus77
wha?
Superman Returns was bloody good, aside from the cretinous Lex Luthor - worst performance by Kevin Spacey. ever.it was quite a good story, well acted and steered away from the kiddie element of Superman - truth, justice, yadda yadda yadda - instead showing sacrifice, commitment, love and a sense of that alienation at the heart of superman.
X-men 3 on the otherhand, sucked so much I almost coughed up £50 (the standard rate for a bj in Amsterdam, I believe 😕 ).
it was the most pathetic piece of shit I've ever seen. it ruined the two preceeding movies, on account of its position in the arc.Fantastic Four was watchable but nowhere near the entertaining and engaging spectacle one would expect.
Batman Begins was great!
Spiderman 3, was the best of the Spiderman series and a great movie on its own. quite surprising as the other two were boring.
DC vs Marvel... I'll go to the movies first
Original Batman 1 and 2 with Michael Keaton = Good. Every other one got worse and worse until they finally redid it with Batman Begins.
Christopher Reeve Superman was good for movies 1 and 2... 3 and 4... i ignore.. Superman returns i loved everything about it except for the fact that supes had a kid... they should have never done that.
Hellboy was also a really good movie that i thought was better than ghost rider.
As for the "great' marvel movies... and i'm going by what i've seen that's out rightn ow, not whats still in production they've made 2 punishers, 1 captain america, 3 xmen, 3 spiderman, 1 electra, 1 daredevil, 1 fantastic four, 1 ghost rider. 1st punisher sucked, 2nd punisher was good, captain america was god awful, first 2 xmen weren't bad, third xmen was horrible... jean kills off prof x and scott but saves wolverine??? That just reaks of tiein movie and was awful. 1st fantastic four, not a theatre movie, hell not even a rental, i would only watch it if it was for free on regular tv... its not good, but not bad.. bad.. ghostrider was okay... electra.. daredevil... BLEAH! and lets not forget the hulk...
so dc and marvel have each put out almost as many good movies as bad. BTW to all of you people who thought spiderman 3 was good... omg... there was like no frigging story to it. They tried to do multiple love twists, too many villains without enough character buildup, the fight scenes were too close up you couldn't tell what was going on sometimes... some scenes panned to wierd shots of... nothing.. for no good reason... It was like they know how they wanted the Green Goblin fight scene to go... and the venom/sandman fightscene to go... but everything else was sloppily threw together..
thats just the movies
As far as progression? Both have touched on the whole gays/lesbians aspect of society...
Marvel has wifebeaters... and heroes who die by villains in the normal sense..
DC has villains who have raped the wives of heroes.. and done god awful things.
Both have stories where people have died.. and SOMEHOW.. come back to life... colossus.. superman... psylocke... hal jordan.. etc..
As far as being able to relate to current events... marvel seems to do that more often.. even if they do take a appear to be taking a glaring republican stance sometimes.
Originally posted by lando005
my vote would have to be with marvel their character development has always seemed more realistic to me and more progressive you didn't get aquanted to the character because of his powers or what he could do or who he fight, but rather you get to know them for who they are how they were raised and what's going on in their life. The most evident of which is spider-man that is the key to his appeal every single person can easily sub in their lives in place of peter's and the story would be the exact same. Heck there dosent even have to be any fighting or any building up to some kind of story arc and you would still find his comic an interesting read. It's not just him but most marvel characters in general. And recently their civil war really drove it home for me that was a very adult topic to handle in a comic and they pulled it offf very well. I prefromed a controlled small scaled experiment with my copies of cw and showed them to some of my teachers and other students in my class and we were able to have a serious open ended debate about the whole registration topic. To be able to do this with a comic is showing just how progressive marvel is.
Civil war has already been done by DC if you didn't catch that its refereed to as kingdom Come.
Originally posted by golem370
Making this thread is just asking for DC/Marvel arguing. I always like Marvel because thats what my brother read. But I like certain DC characters like Superman & Martian Manhunter. Now they're insane characters in both like Wolverine with his jobber aura and the same with Batman. Wolverine having a chance against Hulk,Wendigo or anybody of that power set is retarded. Batman hurting Solomon Grundy and Darkseid is also retarded too.
Good pt
Originally posted by Juntai
DC has more titles for an adult reader, plain and simple.
Just because they tear out people's gutt's, eye-ball's etc. doesn't mean that it's for more mature/intelligent reader's.
But yeah usually the art in "adult titles" are a bit better and the plot is a bit more logical.
Originally posted by Thanos_THOTUTake for example, Sandman. Lucifer. Hellblazer. Spectre. Swamp Thing? Pride? Scalped? Kingdom Come[in how it relates biblical prophecies into the comic world]?...How many more? I could probably go on for a while.
Yeah if you by adult mean sick.Just because they tear out people's gutt's, eye-ball's etc. doesn't mean that it's for more mature/intelligent reader's.
But yeah usually the art in "adult titles" are a bit better and the plot is a bit more logical.