Originally posted by chithappens
Agreed but I think this has to deal with the miseducation of Americans and the lies we are told about history.For example, if you look in a high school history textbook ( I have seen this in college also) every American (president are the worst) are looked up like some pseudo god who knows all and has no flaws.
I am still shocked how many people do not see how eerily similar this is to those Latin American voyages in the early 20th century with Wilson (example: US Marines invade Haiti in 1915 and forced Haitian legislature to select the "preferred" candidate; of course this happened in other places also, including the 1914 invasion of Mexico during its' civil war) but Wilson is almost never given real criticism, or I have seen it IGNORED ALTOGETHER.
We are not taught to think critically - "Just accept what the government does because it is in your best interest."
It is a concern but I'm not sure how to get the majority to understand this.
So, your point is to assume that ignorance is a way of life and to cater to it? It isn't necessary. People are stupid, sure, but why should The Daily Show be the "smart mans" news outlet? (when it isn't) At some point sarcasm needs to be put away in favor of actual news, and actual news needs to be reported. And I love the Daily show.
That was not my point. I merely said I do not know how to address that to the majority or even my peers who don't give a **** about what happened today because they believe it does not affect them at all.
You continue to mention "actual news" but people do not care because they are told that "the government will handle it for them."
It is not until something like 9/11 occurs that people pay attention for a month or so; they think they might be next so then they look up.
Originally posted by chithappens
That was not my point. I merely said I do not know how to address that to the majority or even my peers who don't give a **** about what happened today because they believe it does not affect them at all.You continue to mention "actual news" but people do not care because they are told that "the government will handle it for them."
It is not until something like 9/11 occurs that people pay attention for a month or so; they think they might be next so then they look up.
I don't "continue" to mention actual news, all I mention is the rational assumption that people pay attention to things based on the very human capacity for self-preservation. We have an entire nation of people who know how to microwave dinner, but couldn't possibly be asked to cook a piece of meat and a side of vegitables for themselves. A nation of fast food consuming, let someone else worry about it, sheep.
How am I supposed to answer a question like "how do we change it?", when an event like 9/11 failed on every level to make people pay any real attention? Look back on WW2. That made people wake up and start to sacrifice...to change their ways. Well, we've seen that a 9/11-Pearl Harbour event happened....and we did as we were told. To go out and shop and spend as always. But how was PH anything like 9/11? Are we to assume that Japan wasn't involved, but Iraq was?
we want to heap all our poroblems on a word like "terrorism" and make it simple. Sorry, but that's not the case. How is the answer to this kind of stupidity anything less than the root cause for it? We can say that to make the world work through legitimate means is to allow democracy and republics to take hold, but that hasn't worked. So, maybe fascism...well, that hasn't worked....and it's been tried here in America. As George Carlin said: "Germany may have lost the second world war, but Fascism won it". And that's the bastardized version of "freedom" we've been experiening here in the US of A, as well as The UK, since then.
There are very clearly defined methods through which our government works for us, and the current political system doesn't want to disrupt the very foundation they've bastardized into working for them. That's the beauty of the america constitution. It's a living document that was set up to change based on teh time in which it's operates, without denying the hard fought education it's acheived in its past. And I'm sorry, but the modern American political system has made sure it doesn't change, to serve it's own ends. We wave banners that quote amendments to the constituition as though they were handed down to us by a man in flip flops on the side of a mountain...which somehow implies that thoses biblical mandates can't be altered either.
So, you ask what are we supopsed to do to illuminate the reality of the situation to a nation of willfully ignorant, retards out there that don't get that. So far, it's been to include religion and quote rhetorical, party line, propoganda to them...and get them to regurgitate it in private conversation as though it was their own idea, their own notion of reality. Well, the very foundation of our country is based on the notion of speaking truth and disagreement to power, instead too many of us have bought into the notion that speaking out against it is somehow akin to the threat of terrorism.
So, if you want to change things, then address the root cause of the stupidity, not the propogated stupidity that has been the result of a badly abused situation. Hence, the existence of this thread at all.
Originally posted by Devil King
I don't "continue" to mention actual news, all I mention is the rational assumption that people pay attention to things based on the very human capacity for self-preservation. We have an entire nation of people who know how to microwave dinner, but couldn't possibly be asked to cook a piece of meat and a side of vegitables for themselves. A nation of fast food consuming, let someone else worry about it, sheep.How am I supposed to answer a question like "how do we change it?", when an event like 9/11 failed on every level to make people pay any real attention? Look back on WW2. That made people wake up and start to sacrifice...to change their ways. Well, we've seen that a 9/11-Pearl Harbour event happened....and we did as we were told. To go out and shop and spend as always. But how was PH anything like 9/11? Are we to assume that Japan wasn't involved, but Iraq was?
we want to heap all our poroblems on a word like "terrorism" and make it simple. Sorry, but that's not the case. How is the answer to this kind of stupidity anything less than the root cause for it? We can say that to make the world work through legitimate means is to allow democracy and republics to take hold, but that hasn't worked. So, maybe fascism...well, that hasn't worked....and it's been tried here in America. As George Carlin said: "Germany may have lost the second world war, but Fascism won it". And that's the bastardized version of "freedom" we've been experiening here in the US of A, as well as The UK, since then.
There are very clearly defined methods through which our government works for us, and the current political system doesn't want to disrupt the very foundation they've bastardized into working [b]for them
. That's the beauty of the america constitution. It's a living document that was set up to change based on teh time in which it's operates, without denying the hard fought education it's acheived in its past. And I'm sorry, but the modern American political system has made sure it doesn't change, to serve it's own ends. We wave banners that quote amendments to the constituition as though they were handed down to us by a man in flip flops on the side of a mountain...which somehow implies that thoses biblical mandates can't be altered either.So, you ask what are we supopsed to do to illuminate the reality of the situation to a nation of willfully ignorant, retards out there that don't get that. So far, it's been to include religion and quote rhetorical, party line, propoganda to them...and get them to regurgitate it in private conversation as though it was their own idea, their own notion of reality. Well, the very foundation of our country is based on the notion of speaking truth and disagreement to power, instead too many of us have bought into the notion that speaking out against it is somehow akin to the threat of terrorism.
So, if you want to change things, then address the root cause of the stupidity, not the propogated stupidity that has been the result of a badly abused situation. Hence, the existence of this thread at all. [/B]
I agree wholeheartedly with your entire post; part of the reason I am working towards an Education minor along with the other majors I am pursuing. Critical thinking is imperative and the a lot of people are unable to do so.
The issue of not speaking up is a sociological issue, I believe, in which one does not want to stand out alone. People are spineless, generally speaking, and want some messiah to drop from the sky and save them from their troubles i.e. Obama.
One day I wrote:
"A man can never do as he believes because he is surrounded by those who believe as he does, but who do not follow their own creed by example. All talk.”
This is part of the bigger picture but the lack of individual critical thinking before some mass catastrophe has been an issue way before this era.
It would be really neat if there was some simple sweeping solution. I wanna go to Narnia.
Originally posted by Darth Macabre
.... 🙄 Is this what America has come to?
as long as i can get my super sized chicken mcnugget meal, while being able to buy mass items produced from slave labour and poorly made materials all while sipping on my Venti iced white chocolate mocha with two squirts of rasberry and one squirt of toffe nut with extra whipped cream....i dont give a shit who gets bombed, but ill pretend like i care and know why.
thats what America has come to 🙂
Originally posted by sithsaber408Yes, because Congress decided to take the high road and actually fund our troops on the ground, even though they would much rather bring our fighting men and women home from policing a civil war. Unfortunately, childish and stubborn to point of insanity, Bush and his administration decided to not only veto the bill that would bring our armed forces out of harm's way, but the extended their tours of duty. Not only that, but those who are fortunate enough to come home, perhaps with an injury or post-traumatic stress disorder, they get sub-substandard care at military Walter Reed Hospital, whose appalling failures are then denied by those put in charge of said hospital by our erstwhile commander-in-chief. Who then, out of the two (Bush and Congress), is doing more to support the troops?
Congress reluctantly approves billions for war
Democrats, conceding to Bush, don't insist on troop withdrawal timetableWASHINGTON - Bowing to President Bush, the Democratic-controlled House and Senate reluctantly approved fresh billions for the Iraq war on Thursday, minus the troop withdrawal timeline that drew his earlier veto.
(Full article) http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/18841182/
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wtfpwn'z indeed 😬
People like you make me sick.
Originally posted by Devil KingI totally agree. People can take some actions too. They usually just don't feel like it. They don't call their congressman nor rally. One thing that really irks me is when people complain, yet do nothing about it. Complacency does nothing.
Turn off their televisions and put down the bag of fritos. And pick up a news paper or act interested in the least.It's a cop out to say that the vast majority of consumer education comes from government programs. The citizen him or herself should hold some responsability in educating themselves.
i find the act of celebrating the continued deaths of civilians and soldiers with cheerleading, stupid pictures and smilies, and taunts to be disgusting and deserving of having one's balls kicked until they pop.
this isnt a ****ing football game SS. you should enlist and take a bullet right through your skull. not like you're using your brain for anything regardless.
Originally posted by sithsaber408
Congress reluctantly approves billions for war
Democrats, conceding to Bush, don't insist on troop withdrawal timetableWASHINGTON - Bowing to President Bush, the Democratic-controlled House and Senate reluctantly approved fresh billions for the Iraq war on Thursday, minus the troop withdrawal timeline that drew his earlier veto.
(Full article) http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/18841182/
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Haha, soo great, more US soldiers dying. Haha, I love it. Go Bush.Death to the US.
I support that man fully. Whatever makes the US weaker.
1 more year!!!!