Just so everyone knows, leo DID show me that scan and I DID approve it. He sent it along with a bunch of other scans and I guess I overlooked the time manipulation portion in my rush to get things sorted out(so that's MY bad, not his). Sorry for the confusion.
Anyway since I know what it was now, that tactic is banned from use.
Wells lets see here. You’ve already said that it was probably either an unknown form of radiation or a very exotic form of radiation and well I’d say Vibranium covers both those areas very well. In fact I can guarantee you that it’s an unknown form of radiation to Indigo’s shields since she is from the DC universe and vibranium isn’t. So that does away with that point.
Well as for Shrapnel going toe to toe with Superman may I see the scans? Also what makes you so certain Dark Rage couldn’t hold his own with Superman at least fairly well? He has virtual light speed potential. An instant healing factor. Unbreakable bones and a suit that would absorb any energy superman threw at him. So is it really that out of the question to say Dark Rage could at least put up a fight? Also seeing what Northstar did to those sentinels, I’d imagine that having all that amplified by both Sabertooth’s attributes and T’Challa’s suit would be similarly capable of achieving the same thing.
As for superman’s weakness to kryptonite as an example of what amping does. Well funny how he always seems to overcome it even when at normal and below normal levels. While she didn’t. Besides her shields amped to the max do not equal her normal protection shields and I’ve already pointed out how vibranium produces a unique type of radiation that those shields would be unprepared for. Thanks for pointing out that she is vulnerable to unknown types of radiation by the way.
No matter the amount of radiation I’m giving off between the speed and force I’ll be driving at your shields with and vibranium’s specific type of radiation; I’m coming through those shields weather you like it or not.
As for my flash bang. I never said I was going to utilize them. Seeing as you’re an android I’d figured they’d be of little effect anyway. As I’m sure my Kimoyo Card would have confirmed before the fight even began. I never suggested I was planning on using the flash bang either. What I did do was point out it was an option in a scan, should it become a viable tactic. So with all the information of the card in the prep round why would I try this unless I was almost certain I could utilize it somehow which I can’t.
Getting back to Rogue. You say this isn’t a characteristic of her powers prior to maximum security but I seem to remember an old story where she’d been afraid of listening to Mystique when told to touch Angel gaining his abilities. See Mystique wanted her to gain his memories because at the time he was the only publicly known member of the X-Men. Why didn’t she want to do this? She didn’t want to gain his wings for fear of not losing them. As for the cybernetic part of the arms. Well those wouldn’t be her naturally physical characteristics now would they? Just as when Rogue gained Wolverine’s claws she didn’t gain the adamantium that accompanied them. She only gains the physical characteristics of the other person. Cybernetic enhancements wouldn’t be physically Spiral’s now would they? Unless you can show me she gained the cybernetic enhancements via her natural development and not in addition to. Also she’d gained wolverine’s claws prior to MS but the skrull temporally gave her the ability to access any ability she’d been allowed to in the past. So it just allowed her to reemerge the claws form previous encounters with Logan.
If you don’t believe me I can get scans or you can just check with several online sources that even state it as part of her natural abilities.
As for my speed advantage versus your teleporting abilities. Well yes you can teleport and that’s great for you but your either forgetting or omitting a couple of things. First of all you have to perform spells that require hand jesters to teleport and that takes time. Even more so with 2 hands as apposed to the 6 you were planning on having. Also you can teleport but when I’m already moving at mach 10 good luck guessing where I’ll be when you teleport there. Really, even if you could guess where I’d be by the time you teleport, which I highly doubt, what are you even going to be able to do in the less than a fraction of a second you have to attack?
And see with T’Challa you should know he is just to smart to plunge into something without testing the limits first. He’d be still moving at top speed while seeing just what the limits and weak points of you defenses are before he opened full scale on you. T’Challa has shown to many times how he studies his opponents before he forms contingency plans. Need I mention the Avengers? So even if your shields can somehow hold strong I would already know by the time you tired to stop my attacks. So basically any attacks you are aware of will really be just distractions in this scenario. See my air strike is still coming and I always have stalling for that as a last resort.
Now my attack!
If my initial attack doesn’t work with you then I do have a contingency plan that just screws you over. I simply use the card to contact Wakanda and have them either turn one of the jets around to pickup a much larger piece of anti metal and prepare it drop in on ground zero. Utilizing Wakandan satellites ground zero being you. I also have teleporters in Wakanda that could just transport it here simulantiously if you prefer but I can’t seem to find the scans so until I do the jets will have to suffice. Either way your dead. You have no way of hurting me as long as I keep moving. Which I have no reason not to and I have several different ways to disable you. Even before my air strike arrives I have several strategies I can test and implement at my speed.
To show what anti metal will do to your sheilds and metal body
http://img263.imageshack.us/my.php?image=antimetal12zn.jpg
Face it buddy your going down weather it be now or if I have to wait till the air strike arrives with the anti metal and the constant distraction of the second quinjet. I will test every defense you have and I WILL get through. Then the anti metal is in your ass and considering that your almost entirely metal well that your biggest weakness and I plan on utilizing it.
Also, I would like to note that Black Panther has many areas in America that connect to Wakanda (as shown in the Onlsaught series).
How have I failed to show how I will avoid being tracked by your senses when by your senses when you do find me I’m long gone and you only find where I was?
Also now you want to try and bend the rules even more with time manipulation. Oh wait Darth cleared that up now. Never mind then.
As for quoting what I’ve said maybe you shouldn’t just post the ones you want people to remember?
Originally posted by Entity
Wow, Indigo, as in one of the Brainiacs?
Maybe I'm wrong I thought Braniac > Ironman. It can be dealt with so I won't push but ehh, just makes me think about it.
And it wasn’t just me.
Originally posted by Devil Lance
Indigo = ❌She curbstomped the outsiders
whose lineup at the time consitedof
Jade
Starfire
Shift
Grace
Thunder
Arsenal
Nightwing
Originally posted by Devil Lance
I'm taling about Outsdiers #24you know when she stoopped Jade's power from working
and beat Grace, Thunder, and Starfire down like they were nothing
Originally posted by Blair Wind
I say ex nay on Indigo 😐But....let Darth handle it
Originally posted by Martian_mind
I just saw that Indigo was drafted.W.T.F,She's way over.
I did say exactly that but your attempting to make it appear different than it was intended to be. She didn’t do anything specifically placed her over the caps but she definitely showed to have the potential to be much greater than Ironman. Jade never really showed to be greater than Ironman either but do you think she doesn’t have the potential to be? And by the why Jade was one of the people Brainaic 8 owned.
I was just pointing out how her potential alone before the meshing should’ve been taken into account when deciding if she’s greater than Ironman. Thou also if you’d notice I noted that I could deal with her regardless and yet you seem to try and claim these defense and offensive strategies for you shield aren’t my own. Even so what would it matter? I know I’ve read certain people’s post claiming they’ve talked with you over strategy.
So as for you my accusations towards you, well between the Indigo debate, some comments about DH2 that I really don’t know enough about to consult with and this recent time manipulation thing, I wouldn’t see how you’d think they were truly insincere. Seem pretty founded to me as well as backed up by evidence.
Nice job so far, ent. I knew you weren’t gonna go easy. 🙂
anyway, this is already turning into a “you can’t/yes I can!” match. Let’s see if I can put a couple of these issues to rest.
Shield v vibranium radiation: again, no one knows WHAT kind of radiation disrupted shield formation, and just as important, who knows if that radiation would have impacted her systems if the shields were ALREADY in place. Like mine are. Now, we may not agree on much, but you will CERTAINLY agree on this point – it was 100% NOT vibranium radiation that caused her a problem with the fields. That means then, that you are saying there are now 2 DIFFERENT forms of rare/exotic radiation out there that will hinder her shields when we don’t even know for sure there was ONE. It’s not like ALL exotic/rare radiation gives her trouble (which you seem to be wanting to say) – nukes give off radiation all across the spectrum, along with the more traditional forms. She’s battled Starfire (cosmic/stellar energy) and faced other blaster-type weapons and done just fine. Beyond that, the trace amounts of radiation your small claws and suit would give off would be utterly negligible. BP wears the suit and claws all the time yet the radiation is so minimal that it has yet to affect his health in any way. Show me the radiation emanating from his claws disrupting a forcefield and you MAY have something, but even then, it was the FORMATION of the shields that was hindered, NOT the shields themselves. An irrelevant point considering I came in with shields raised. And how exactly does speed and force increase the amount of radiation you’re giving off . . .? 😕
Well as for Shrapnel going toe to toe with Superman may I see the scans?
Also what makes you so certain Dark Rage couldn’t hold his own with Superman at least fairly well?
not really worth commenting on. If you really think your mach 10 flier (for purposes of this tournament), with a combination of Black Panther and sabertooth can battle superman . . . 😬
About the kimoyo: how exactly would it have any info on indy and how do you think you would know what her shield was or wasn’t capable of withstanding? You’d also have no idea Spiral was immune to flash-blinding, so hedging your bets as you are (maybe I flash, maybe not, maybe I charge the shields, maybe not, depends if the card thinks I can get through, depends on if the card tells me she’s immune to the flash . . .) is about the only thing you CAN do, but it’s not a very convincing strategy, I’m afraid. my own strategy has remained utterly consistent throughout.
anticipate, port, attack. simple and unavoidable.
The 6 arm issue: No scans I see from before the Max Sec. Arc. Your memory may be right, but there’s no proof to support it. Not that it’s required. Spiral was a regular human being before Mojo used magic and cybernetics to augment her. That is to say she naturally only has 2 ARMS. HER 4 ADDITIONAL ARMS ARE NOT NATURAL. For Rogue to gain those arms would be analogous to her gaining wolverine’s adamantium – something you were kind enough to point out she did NOT get. Since the arms are NOT natural parts of Spiral, and since Rogue can only at times manifest natural physical properties, your case is dead in the water, regardless of whether the she showed the ability before or after the Max Sec arc. Case closed. 🙂
Teleportation/Precognition/Anticipatory Senses: you can be as fast as you want to be. If I know where you are going I can beat you there, and that’s all I need to do. You seem to think I’m ‘guessing’ where you’ll be. Nuh-uh. I can magically SENSE where you’ll be. In my earlier scan, she likely sensed the speedster’s approach from MILES away and knew exactly where he would be. I do the same to you. I just beat you to the spot, punch you, stagger you, port behind, wrap you up, and you’re done. And since you were able to track ME during prep, it would be a simple thing to track YOU as well, anticipate your movement, and end things as quickly as she ended them for . . . whatever that guy’s name is in the scan in my first post (can’t remember . . .) And her teleport spell could have easily been cast in prep as well, (note that I said I WAS casting a spell in prep) and she could have simply ported straight to you. Not that it takes her long to port, anyway. Below she actually ports away after a gun has been fired at her!
doesn’t matter where you run, or how fast. I can track you, anticipate where you will be, get in front of you and finish you off.
air-strike: I’ve ignored this til now, not because I forgot, but because it is in every way, irrelevant. I could sense the approaching planes LONG before they got near me, port to them, blast them to pieces and be back in literally seconds. They are more irrelevant still considering the battle will only take a few seconds to finish. One teleport, one 3-armed, cl100 set of punches to stagger you, and force fields around you to finish you.
I did find it funny when you said you had ‘several ways to disable me.’ Aside from the not-a-chance-they-will-work ‘vibranium radiation punches’, what are the OTHER several ways you have to disable me . . .? Try and delay me to let your ships come save you? Not gonna happen. And even if you DO try and delay, I could always throw up a massive shield all around the area to contain you. That would make tracking you even easier. Here’s a very large shield indy created. It did drain her a little, but with DHII as the body (who’s endurance is practically limitless) draining won’t be a problem. That, coupled with this little amping spell by Spiral, should ensure the shield is huge AND strong. I could trap you in the wide area shield, then make it progressively smaller with you inside until it is so small that you are completely stuck and then I could do whatever I want to you. Or just make successively smaller shields within the larger one. Either way, with her senses and ltd precog, and with her shielding power amped, catching and holding you won’t be a problem.
http://img70.imageshack.us/my.php?image=powerampwd5.jpg
regardless of exactly HOW I choose to end it, I DO have several options. You have one VERY long hope, and more importantly, no evidence to support it. And unlike you, who has no way to learn about indigo, or really even spiral’s powers and levels, I have a GREAT source of information on all of your guys – reed’s computer system. (Can’t find the $#@! Scan right now, but I promise to show you next post! Sorry, ent.) Anyway, DHII absorbed/assimilated all the information in reed's computer systems. As a result, I will know FULL WELL what your characters are capable of.
before wrapping this up, i need to revisit, for just a moment, the vibranium radiation angle – allowing for a split second that your radiation DOES in someway affect my field’s integrity, it STILL won’t matter. I simply turn intangible and you can’t do anything about it except be surprised. Again, a short lived feeling as I port in front of you, punch you, and end it or wrap you in fields and end it.
I’ve literally got several options. You have – factoring in my intangibility – nothing at all you can do to me.
I’ll stop defending my picks, as the topic is irrelevant.
I WILL however, present something a little new to conclude this post, something I have been neglecting – accidentally – to post. Once I DO finish you, I do this:
http://img69.imageshack.us/my.php?image=11xg9.jpg
Yep, I assimilate all of BP’s combat expertise and personality, making it a part of ME. I then do the same to your Kimoyo card and gain all of IT’s knowledge as well, in exactly the same way he absorbed the info from reed richards computer systems. (Scan forthcoming!)
i simply have too many options and too much versatility, and too much overall power. And yes, I did just become stronger for the next round as all abilities and information carry over. 🙂
Well that was an interesting post indeed. However you are still incorrect on a few aspects. Shrapnel going toe to toe with Superman huh. Funny cause that looks allot more like him trying to throw in some low blows to a Superman that’s suffering from a biological attack of some kind and still holding his own. Not nearly the same thing that he pulled on Indigo’s shields with pure unaided force. As for Dark Rage holding his own against Superman, first off I never acted like he could take him. Just put up a fight. And if they were to fight there wouldn’t be a speed cap as there isn’t with Shrapnel and him. Hell with biological warfare on his side Dark Rage could probably do better than Shrapnel did. Don’t know thou didn’t read the issue.
As for my Kimoyo Card well as I said in my opening post I was going to pull all info I could find on your characters. This would certainly tell me all I needed to know about DH2 and Spiral. Between Reed’s database, the Avengers info, the X-Men’s personally files and of course all the government information. See the Kimoyo Card is able to interface with all technology and Wakanda is the most advanced country in the world. All technology includes scanning Indigo’s own personal systems for information on how she works. So yea I do try what the card tells me but the card is going to be right. I would know from the mere scan or info on Reed’s database that you’re immune to flash bang.
And to just touch on the Rogue issue once more. Even thou her arms were magically given to her, they were physically her’s while the technological enhancements weren’t.
My air strike’s irrelevant? Well I’d definitely disagree. See even if by some amazing chance all my previous thought of attacks doesn’t work well I can always evade you till they arrive. Then you’ll have to be dealing with both of them while I’m dealing with you. Denial of the distraction they will cause changes nothing. You will be made additionally vulnerable by them.
You clam you can teleport away or keep up with me somehow but that scan doesn’t show her even moving faster than a bullet. What is does show is seeing someone with a gun and teleporting before they use it. However assuming you can move faster than a bullet I doubt its enough. See a bullet moves at about 2000 mph depending on the type. Mach 10 is about 7000 mph. Still to slow even if that had been the case. See regardless of how fast you teleport this is how fast you think to move as well.
Just to show how fast things are.
http://my.execpc.com/~culp/space/speed.html
Now off the defensive and on to my offences. Well by this point the card has told me everything I need to know about you. Your being a machine helped out with that immensely. So if for any reason none of my other tactics are viable for me to implement, including pure power rush through your shields. Since Northstar could plow through sentinels, Black Panther has a vibranium suit and anti metal claws, Sabertooth has adamantium all through out his body and I’m going to instantly heal form any damage I gain coming at you full throttle. It’s not unlikely this would work. Using my card to override your systems. Causing an EMP throughout the city. Attempting to adjust my energy daggers to attack or at least distract you, wouldn't hurt my chances either.
Originally posted by leonidas
before wrapping this up, i need to revisit, for just a moment, the vibranium radiation angle – allowing for a split second that your radiation DOES in someway affect my field’s integrity, it STILL won’t matter. I simply turn intangible and you can’t do anything about it except be surprised. Again, a short lived feeling as I port in front of you, punch you, and end it or wrap you in fields and end it.I’ve literally got several options. You have – factoring in my intangibility – nothing at all you can do to me.
Really? Cause I really thought when I got through your shields that my claws would prove a hell of a problem for you considering your body is almost entirely metal. 😬 See you can’t stay in your little other dimension forever and isn’t that technically self battle field removal? There’s a difference between being intangible and transporting yourself off the battle field. Even if only for a split second. Doubt it matters thou seeing as I’ll be disrupting your processors with my claws and attacking you faster than you can think to prevent it.
Oh and I was saving this for latter but if you want to go straight for the death blow that you think you’ll get to. That will allow you all my knowledge and intel,. Well how you going to avoid this?
T’Challa simply uses the Kimoyo card to contact Wakanda with orders to use the teleportation frogs to transport mass amounts of anti-metal to my exact location. Even utilizing the Avengers access to the same anti metal that was used to defeat Ultron. Who by the way, was composed of Adamantium with is much much greater than the metals with in your body. Will this effect the metal in my body as well? Possibly, but my Adamantium is much more durable than your metals and you’ll be suffering and loosing all you concentration and ability control long before mine is effected so much. Plus I also have the vibranium to shield me, and a healing factor to combat my personal symptoms. The anti metal should arrive in a matter of minutes form my command!
I was wanting a fight but this will suffice.
The anti metal form the Avengers.
http://img263.imageshack.us/my.php?image=antimetal22qg.jpg
The time and space teleportation frogs I mentioned.
http://www.marvunapp.com/Appendix/solofrog.htm
The Kimoyo Card scanning similar to how it would Indigo.
http://img147.imageshack.us/my.php?image=120qj.jpg
And I’ve still got 4 post left or is it 5?
Still think I have no ways of fighting you?
All righty, then, let’s dispense with some of the speculation, and BS and look at some facts:
1. Indy’s shields have ever only been broken by a guy who can go toe-to-toe with, hurt, and actually scrape/cut SUPERMAN’s face. Scans below show a little more of the battle, and you can see in the last scan supes’s face marked up.
no 'biological' help in the first scans.
anyway:
Supe’s aura>indy’s shield.
Supes aura>>>>darkrage’s offense.
Any person who considers themselves even a little knowledgeable in comics will know this for an obvious fact. If you DO believe that a class10 (maybe?) guy, with claws and a top speed of mach 10 can harm – let alone provide a difficult battle for – superman, then . . .
to say darkrage can use force to get through the shield because someone in superman’s strength class could do so is ridiculous. There is also ZERO evidence regarding the vibranium radiation’s impact on my shields and ZERO evidence to support the notion that the minute radiation given off by his claws has ever affected ANY shielding, at any time. For anyone with even a HINT of doubt, there is my amping spell that I cast in prep (recall I DID cast a spell in prep – an unspecified one) which SHOULD logically abolish ALL doubt in regards to whether the shield will hold or not.
2. No source of on-panel proof ANYWHERE confirms that he would have ANY knowledge of indigo, let alone have knowledge of what she is capable of, what her weaknesses are or what the limits of her powers are. No on-panel proof ANYWHERE supports the idea that you would have anything more than a rudimentary knowledge of spiral’s abilities. You may know she is a sorceress, you may know she teleports, but a detailed inventory of her invulnerabilities and spells? No chance. Show me an x-men/cerebro file that details her complete powerset. Not gonna happen because it doesn’t exist. You MAY be able to dig up some info on DHII, but even in THAT regard you failed to show any proof that you can do that. To say someone somewhere has ‘all this information stored away’ and that you can ‘just access it at will’ is not good enough when you’re using it as a way to justify knowing my characters so well. You’re using YOUR knowledge of the characters, and trying to make people believe your amalgam possesses the SAME knowledge as YOU/ENTITY does. That is very inaccurate and misleading. As for scanning me to learn about me: first you’d need to do it IN the match, and you can’t do that AND try and fight at the same time. But even if you could, it would be meaningless anyway because DHII is invulnerable to any sort of EM energy/flux (and if your card isn’t scanning using EM energy, then . . . show me what it is) this shielding also renders your suggested EMP useless.
To simply accept that he COULD gain all this info on me, “SOMEHOW,” is not a logical assumption, nor should his claims be credited in the face of this lack of evidence. I otoh COULD use an EMP to wipe out your card during the battle, especially if you try your little delaying/keep-away tactic. Is your card protected from EMP . . .?
3. 6-arms: most of the protest to the arms has died away. Again, though, he’s saying the arms were ‘physically hers’ when they were magically and cybernetically GRANTED to her, grafted to her in a way even MORE unnatural than the way logan gained his claws. The arms are in NO WAY NATURAL, and so there is no way, by definition of her powerset, that rogue could have gained them on her own.
4. The air-strike is irrelevant: seriously. Using spiral’s OR indy’s abilities, I sense their approach, teleport to them and disable the fighters in literally seconds. Or I port between them and use an EMP. Whatever. Utterly meaningless in every sense of the word.
Even made MORE irrelevant by the fact that the battle is over in the first few SECONDS of the confrontation.
5. Northstar’s speed is irrelevant: I have shown CONCLUSIVE on-panel evidence to back up my claim that spiral’s senses can EFFORTLESSLY track and anticipate the movements of a high level speedster. Supersabre is capable of moving at supersonic speed (his top speed is unknown) but is fast enough to both defy gravity and run across water. Spiral dealt with him in exactly 2 panels and sensed his approach from MILES away. As kali however, spiral’s own already awesome sensory abilities are enhanced FURTHER by indigo’s OWN hyper-acute senses.
and here, is another new wrinkle to consider: spiral’s mind has now been imprinted on DHII’s CYBORG BRAIN – a brain that indigo’s technopathy has made FULLY FUNCTIONAL. As shown by the assimilation and processing of skill sets and information from reeds’s computer system, DHII can process VAST amounts of information with computer-like speed. His brain IS in fact a massive computer.
and here he is dl'ing ALL THE INFO IN REED'S COMPUTER SYSTEM AND ASSIMILATNIG IT IN SECONDS!
http://img296.imageshack.us/my.php?image=techupload1er1.jpg
Factor in indigo’s senses and her own ability to operate and process at computer speeds:
and ALL OF SPIRAL’S physical AND mental processes will be enormously enhanced! Her thinking/processing rate increases, and her ability to think tactically and react will increase – dramatically. Below is the ORIGINAL death’s head dodging close range LASER FIRE!
http://img258.imageshack.us/my.php?image=67ly3.jpg
http://img367.imageshack.us/my.php?image=ic81uj8.jpg
DHII has already assimilated all of DhI’s skills and abilities and has IMPROVED on them. In all ways, he IS DHI + DHII + . . . lots of other folks. And all of those skills and abilities and the ability to process and regulate them belong to spiral!
So, to believe that spiral ALONE is incapable of tracking and anticipating the movements of darkrage flies directly in the face of the evidence I have shown. To believe that this new, ENHANCED mind/body of spiral, that has been augmented with computer-speed and processing, is incapable of such a feat is completely illogical.
6. Anti-metal teleportation is irrelevant: it takes minutes to arrive, battle is over in seconds. Even if you don’t believe that, as soon as it arrives, I teleport it into some random dimension as easily as she ported blob:
To sum up the above:
--no evidence to support his ability physically get through my shields – especially when they are amped. Check.
--No evidence to show the radiation in his claws can affect mine or ANY shield. Check.
--No evidence to support the idea that he has any significant info on . . . ANY of my characters. Check.
--I DO have 6 arms. Check.
--Air-strike irrelevant. Check.
--Teleporting a large piece of anti-metal is irrelevant. Check.
And . . .
SPIRAL IS NOW A TRANS-DIMENSIONAL SORCERESS, WITH 6 CL100 STRENGTH ARMS WHO IS CAPABLE OF THINKING AND REACTING AT COMPUTER-SPEEDS!!
Now, let’s look at possible scenarios in the battle:
1. He flashbangs: he is finished immediately as I teleport behind him, place fields over his head and hands and watch him suffocate because I am immune to blinding. battle ends in seconds.
2. He blitzes my shields because he feels (incorrectly) he can penetrate them (PLEASE DON’T FORGET THE SHIELDS ARE EASILY AMPED BY SPIRAL’S AMPING SPELL!). As he pummels the shield I simply encase his head and hands in forcefields and watch him suffocate. My increased processing speed, reaction time AND senses, would make it EASY to follow whatever it is he is doing even if he IS moving mach 10. battle is over in seconds.
3. He blitzes and thinks better of wailing on my shield. I simply track him as above, teleport in front of him, strike him when he’s not expecting it, stun him and wrap him in the force fields and watch him suffocate. battle is over in seconds.
4. He blitzes, thinks better of it and tries to run to buy time for his ‘air-strike’ or anti-metal. instead of tracking him I EMP, then throw up a large area forcefield (amped via spiral’s spell) limiting his movement and progressively make it smaller, trapping him and THEN I place the fields around his head and hands. I could also do THIS to his card:
again, the battle may take a minute or 2 to end this way, but the end is never in doubt and it IS still a very quick end.
5. Let’s say you somehow (in spite of the lack of any creditable evidence and against all logic) believe he CAN break through my shields. Given my radically increased ability to process and react, I can easily turn intangible and teleport behind you and use my forcefields to suffocate you. (Oh, as regards the intangibility being self-bfr – it falls under the same area as teleporting and the ability to matter manip on yourself. Anytime I teleport, it is also technically self-bfr, but it’s not an ‘offensive’ (ie – I’m not doing harm to YOU by doing it) ability – I do it to myself. My phasing is the same thing.)
So, if you flash, you’re dead.
If you try to get through the shields and fail, you’re dead.
If you try to run, you’re dead.
If you try to delay, you’re dead.
Even if you get THROUGH the amped shields, you’re dead.
My offense has remained perfectly consistent throughout the match: using my AUGMENTED speed and senses, I teleport to him or wait for him to come to me, wrap his head and hands in forcefields and watch him suffocate or kill him with bladed weapons through the eyes.
He has provided no evidence to support his ideas that he can get through my shields in any way, while in turn I have shown I can take out high level speedsters, and the abilities that allowed that to happen are now AMPED to an incredible degree.
Okay, just to reiterate a couple of key points, and expound on a couple of ideas I began to express in my last post.
Darkrage has not given any evidence at all that he is capable of getting through the normal level of shielding indigo uses, let alone the amped version of the shields. With that in mind – he has NO WAY TO HARM ME. he is no where NEAR as strong as shrapnel, (AND my shield is stronger than it was in that scan where shrapnel broke through it), and his vibranium radiation idea is the most wishful speculation supported with no proof whatsoever. That of course is to say nothing of my ability to become intangible.
My offensive plan has remained perfectly consistent: Place forcefields around his hands to hold his claws, then place a field around his head so he suffocates. Nothing sabretooth’s healing factor can do about that. 😬
Calling in air-strikes, arranging for the teleportation of anti-metal . . . ❌ no time as I pointed out above and easily dealt with regardless. The match ends very quickly and I am never in any danger whatsoever. He can NOT scan me, he does NOT know anything about indigo, and very little about spiral and DHII.
Now, a couple things about kali to clarify exactly what she is.
Spiral is a sorceress with an expertise in cybernetics (recall she created the reavers -- cyborg beings who gave the x-men a run for their money – and lady deathstrike) and 4 extra arms that were grafted onto her body through a process both cybernetic AND magical in nature.
DHII is a cl100 cyborg, created with tech from the future, capable of assimilating the skills and knowledge of the opponents he defeats, or computers he interfaces with. (Both shown above) he has been programmed with the skill sets and knowledge of 106 distinct and dangerous beings.
AND all the information stored within the computer systems that belong to reed richards. (Shown in the above post)
indigo/B8 is a highly advanced robot from the distant future, capable of interfacing with any computer or cybernetic system/being. Her technopathy is of a very high level and it is through her abilities to interface with cyborgs, that I have made the DHII body AND brain FULLY FUNCTIONAL.
So, let’s examine what this combination means:
spiral’s mind/skills/magic/knowledge essentially become the 107th personality that DHII assimilates. Only this time SPIRAL’s mind is in charge of the cyborg brain (which is nothing more than an immensely powerful computer). Coupled with indigo’s ability as a high level technopath, to merge everything into full functionality, what I have now is essentially a TECHNOPATHIC SORCERESS IN THE BODY OF ONE OF THE GREATEST KILLING MACHINES EARTH SCIENCE HAS EVER CREATED!
sounds cool, but what does it mean? It means this: ALL OF SPIRAL’s THOUGHT PROCESSES WILL BE ENHANCED TO COMPUTER-LEVELS OF SPEED AND THAT SHE WILL HAVE AT HER DISPOSAL NOT JUST HER OWN POWERSET, BUT ALSO THE FULL CAPABILITIES OF BOTH INDIGO/B8 AND THE DHII CYBORG!!
Not only that, but I have already shown that the DHII body will gain 4 additional arms as a result of the merger, AND all 6 arms will be morphable, thanks to the powers of indigo/B8. Her ability to cast spells will be vastly sped up. Her ability to react and think will be vastly sped up. (And recall she handled a high level speedster effortlessly on her OWN already). Her senses will be vastly improved as well.
Here are a few more scans showing the individual abilities of indigo. In the first scan, she starts in arizona and teleports to califormia. Note the precision teleportation and note too, that she scans the . . . CONTINENTAL UNITED STATES before locating cyborg.
I have shown scans of DH dodging close range laser fire (post above), of him assimilating massive amounts of information in seconds (above post), you’ve seen indy’s technopathy take over high level cybernetic beings and even remotely control a SUPERMAN android! You have seen scans of indy herself sorting through huge amounts of information and overriding some of the most sophisticated tech on DC earth (STARLABS). You have also seen her scanning abilities are NOT restricted to just cybernetic beings and extend rather to include organic beings as well. You have seen spiral create lady deathstrike in the bodyshoppe and some of her more simple spells along with her tactical teleportation and magical senses.
And remember – in all ways the sum of the creation is greater than the individual parts.
This is likely my closing argument so thanks for following along and thanks to entity for what has been a fun match. 🙂
Well let’s review what you claim are indisputable fact shall we.
1. Lots of characters far less powerful than those in questions have made attacks on superman throughout the years. Many of them have even been far more successful than him. Those scans of Shrapnel attacking him prove little if anything. Really it even states that some one greater than Shrapnel is behind the attack and you can even see in the third scan that there is more than just Shrapnel involved.
Once again you’re attempting to imply that I was saying he could take Superman. NO, all I was suggestion was he could provide a more difficult battle for him then Shrapnel did. With the aid of others at that! See T’Challa is one of the smartest men on the planet. If you think he’d be waltzing into a battle he didn’t know how to win, you’d be sadly mistaken.
You also keep referring to the facts that there is no evidence to state that Indigo’s shields will be affected by either the vibranium or anti metal radiation. What you neglect to mention is how there is just as much evidence to support their being immune to it. What I HAVE shown is that she has a vulnerability to radiation. So while both you and I are at a loss of evidence to prove wither or not the vibranium can cause radiation types necessary to disrupt your shield, I have at least shown proof that radiation is a weakness to them of some sort. The vibranium being completely unknown to her doesn’t increase the likely hood of the shields resisting it.
2. Yea I’m sure that no where in all the files of cerebro and Reed’s data base would provide and knowledge of Spiral’s abilities. Especially when Reed, Xavier, and Stark are all members of the Illuminati and I’m sure they wouldn’t be sharing information or anything like that. Except wait, that’s exactly what one of the founding purposes of the Illuminati was! As for proving that he’d have info on DH2 well you have actually accomplished that for me. Seeing as how you’ve provided proof the he’s been involved with the fantastic 4 or at least Reed. That should allow Reed enough to include his findings in his database.
Also I believe I’ve already showed what the card is capable of and how it can pull files and schematics form basically any form of information management system there is but if you wish I shall show the scans again and point out exactly what is going on and how it is.
T’Challa uses the card to pull schematics on a hatch and room. This also shows how his mind works and what is able to deal with while still formulating plans.
http://img53.imageshack.us/my.php?image=hydro1.jpg
The card pulls information form several GPS’s on very specific individuals. While you have to sense me I will always know where you are. Add this to the fact that if you should even find me you can’t act quick enough.
http://img31.imageshack.us/my.php?image=sat1.jpg
Originally posted by leonidasWhere’s the lack of evidence? I seem to think it shows what all the Kimoyo card is capable of and that is all I need to do what I’ve stated. As for your EMP, you really think a card that generates EMP’s is vulnerable to them? 😬
To simply accept that he COULD gain all this info on me, “SOMEHOW,” is not a logical assumption, nor should his claims be credited in the face of this lack of evidence.
3. You keep claiming that I’m the one that has shown lack of evidence in things yet I’ve yet to see you prove that Spiral can grant anyone other than Rogue, who gains characteristics by her own powers, these arms of her’s. Once again Rogue draws form people’s very life force. If magic was used to grant her new arms then they would be physically part of her life force. The cybernetic implants wouldn’t be.
4. You still claim the air strike is meaning less. Well you’ve also said that Super Sabre is capable of moving at super sonic speeds. This I’d like to see. To my understanding he was only capable at moving near the speed of sound. Perhaps even at the speed of sound but 10 times the speed of sound is much greater then near or at sound. Show me scans that prove else wise or Spiral keeping up with anyone moving at mach 10 conclusively and we’ll talk about this.
I’ll be staying away form you just fine if I so chose to. And the jets I’ve sent this way are capable of moving at least at mach 2! So good luck fighting them while you’ve got a mach 10 capable thread on your ass as well.
5. Oh Super Sabre can run on water! Well that changes everything seeing as how with his vibranium shoes so can the Panther with out this current speed edge. What’s the name of that lizard that can do that in real life? Whatever it is I doubt he can move at mach 10 as well.
6. So you’re thinking at computer speeds now. You still don’t have the ability to deal with 7000mph opponents as I’ve previously stated. And either way with all this anti metal that arrives with in minutes of my command you’re not going to be doing much of anything with all your processors and the other metal in your body breaking down as you seem to think you can. Trust me 7000mph is plenty fast enough to at least as a last resort avoid you for the like a few minutes tops it takes for the anti metal to be teleported there.
7. OK you have all the information form Reed’s computer. Good thing I’ve got all the info form Reed’s, Tony’s, Cerebro, the Wakandan database, all the hackable systems on the planet for starters, and as well as possibly your own database. Not saying I know for fact I could gain access to your files with the card but its definitely not an impossibility. 😉
8, Lets see what I’ve stated so far compared to what you have tried to counter with.
I’ve shown how radiation effects your shield and they can’t possibility be prepared for an assault utilizing vibranium or anti metal radiation. While you’ve shown no evidence to show the radiation in my suit and claws can’t affect your shield as the other radiation in my previous scan did.
Proved that the Kimoyo card can access technology systems to learn information on both DH2 and Spiral as well as possibility scan Indigo‘s own systems.
Explained how Rogue gained Spiral’s arms while you’ve shown no prove that anyone but her could achieve this.
See even if by chance none of all my other tactics work then T’Challa has both the intelligence and speed advantage to try them all without risking himself and more than likely by the time all my other tactics have been tested the anti metal will arrive and there’s really just nothing your metal body with computer processor speeds can do when in order to do anything they’d have to be on the field to attempt it and that alone disrupts all your systems. I really would like to see Kali concentrate on doing anything with any of her abilities while her body is falling apart. I don’t know if she experiences pain but if she does I’d imagine she’d be in a great deal of it by this point.
OK since I've gained one post ahead on Leo and he posted some stats about his characters I thought I might do the same. 🙂
Entity
Name: Dark Rage
Black Panther (Mind) - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/T%27Challa and http://www.killermovies.com/forums/...-respect-thread
Sabertooth (Body) - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sabretooth_%28comics%29 and http://www.killermovies.com/forums/...oooh-scaaaarrry
Northstar (Powers) - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Northstar and http://www.killermovies.com/forums/...-respect-thread
Equipment: Black Panther (T‘Challa)
Kimoyo card: an extremely powerful and versatile PDA. It functions similarly to the Avengers' communicards, but with many more practical applications.
Energy-Dampening Boots: Energy regulators create varying fields from the Vibranium in the molded soles of the boots, enabling Panther to survive a fall of several stories and land like a cat. Given enough momentum, the Panther can also scale walls or skim across water. The field can be also used offensively to shatter or weaken objects.
Vibranium Micro Weaves Mesh Suit: In his Panther uniform the micro weave robs incoming objects of their momentum; bullets do not ricochet off but simply fall to the ground when they come in contact with the weave). Likewise, the Panther cannot be stabbed.
Mask Lenses: Lenses in the mask cut glare and enhance the Panther's natural night vision.
Cloaking Technology: The cloak can be elongated, shortened or eliminated with a thought, and the entire costume can be covered allowing it to pass as normal street clothes.
Energy Dagger: with an ornate hilt carved of ivory or some kind of stone, and an energy-generated blade that can be set to stun or kill. The energy blades can be handled like either a physical knife or fired like darts, and regenerated repeatedly.
Anti-Metal Claws: Claws in the gloves are made of Antarctic Vibranium-based "Anti-Metal" that can break down metals at the molecular level.
Abilities: Black Panther (T‘Challa)
Black Panther possesses a genius level intellect and is a skilled inventor, strategist, tactician, and leader. He has been groomed to be a warrior from birth an expert in armed and unarmed combat, master of all martial arts including African and unknown forms, and has mastered most weapons. Even without his superhuman senses, he is an expert tracker and hunter.
Powers: Sabertooth and Northstar
Regenerative Healing Factor: Sabertooth’s primary mutant power is an accelerated healing process that enables him to regenerate damaged or destroyed areas of his anatomy with far greater efficiency than an ordinary human. Sabertooth’s accelerated healing rate is often referred to as a mutant healing factor. Originally, the speed of Sabertooth’s healing factors was in proportion to the wound's severity; for example, he could fully recover from an ordinary gunshot wound within minutes. However, Sabertooth’s healing ability has dramatically increased in recent years due to various procedures. Sabertooth can fully heal from injuries that result in massive tissue damage or loss such as multiple gunshot wounds, slashes, puncture wounds, blunt force trauma, and severe burns within a matter of moments.
Foreign Chemical Immunity: Sabertooth’s natural healing also affords him the virtual immunity to poisons and most drugs, as well as an enhanced resistance to diseases. For example, it is virtually impossible for him to become intoxicated.
Superhuman Stamina: Highly resistant to the fatigue toxins generated by his muscles during physical activity. Sabertooth can push himself at peak capacity for several days before fatigue begins to impair him
Superhuman Agility: Sabertooth’s agility, balance, and bodily coordination are enhanced to levels beyond the human body's natural limits, even those of the finest human athlete.
Superhuman Reflexes: Sabertooth’s reaction time is enhanced to levels that are beyond the human body's natural limits, even those of the finest human athlete
Weather Insulated Adaptation: Sabertooth is able to withstand incredibly cold temperatures without sustaining bodily damage to the extent that he can sleep nude in sub-arctic conditions with no apparent injury.
Retarded Aging: In addition, Sabertooth’s healing factor provides him with an extended lifespan by slowing the effects of the aging process. Despite being of an, unknown, advanced age, Sabertooth retains the appearance and vitality of a man in his physical prime.
Superhumanly Acute Senses: Sabertooth’s feral mutation provides him superhumanly acute senses, allowing him to see things at a maximum distance greater than a normal human's; his vision even extends into the ultraviolet and infrared areas of the electromagnetic spectrum. His hearing is enhanced in a similar manner, and he is able to recognize people and objects by scent, even if that person or object is hidden. Sabertooth can use these enhanced senses to track any creature with an impressive degree of success.
Claws: Sabertooth has retractable talons in place of fingernails. The claws are naturally sharp and tougher than that of normal human bone structure, allowing Sabertooth to cut through most types of flesh and natural materials. Sabertooth’s ability to slice completely through a substance depends on the thickness of the substance and the amount of force he can exert. Sabertooth’s claws, along with his skeleton, are bonded with Adamantium. As a result, his claws are virtually indestructible. The Adamantium further enhances the already razor sharp edge of Sabertooth’s claws and enables him to slice through almost any surface, with the known exceptions of Adamantium itself and Vibranium.
Sabertooth also has developed a high resistance to telepathic probing and manipulation. This is believed to be due to his mutant healing factor having recovered his mind form many former attempts.
Strength level: Sabertooth has superhuman strength that has been artificially augmented over the years. Initially, he was physically strong enough to lift about 3 tons. However, after being captured by his now deceased son, Graydon Creed, his strength was surgically enhanced to the 10 ton level. More recently, the latest incarnation of the Weapon X Program enhanced his strength even further, possibly into the 15 ton range.
Photo kinesis: can generate from his body a bright white light equivalent at maximum intensity to half million-foot candles. He does so by varying the rate of acceleration of the molecules of his body out of phase with one another, thereby generating a cascade of photonic discharges.
Concussive Blasts: ability to send out powerful concussive blasts that can do considerable damage. He can project these from his hands and out from his body in a series of concussive bursts.
Superhuman Speed: He possesses the ability to propel his body at superhuman speed, becoming a living projectile. Through an act of concentration, Northstar can channel a portion of the kinetic energy of the atomic motion in his body’s molecules in a single direction. This can accelerate his body in a velocity in direct proportions to the amount of kinetic energy he has tapped. It was once theoretically possible for him to reach 99% of the speed of light (186, 272 miles per second in a vacuum), although he never traveled at anywhere near that speed since if he did, he would wreak great damage upon himself and his environment. Northstar can also move a portion of his body at superhuman speed at a time.
Heightened Reflexes: possesses reflexes far above the average human. Reflexes are so advanced that he can go through an entire apartment, checking all the rooms and taking out the survivors in just mere seconds.
Flight: ability to propel himself through the air. To hover in mid-air Northstar applies thrust downward in a carefully controlled manner.
Enhanced Durability: as a side effect of partially robbing his molecules of their atomic motion, the binding forces within and between the molecules increase. This enhances the sheer toughness of Northstar's entire body. This effect gives his skin enough durability to withstand the ravages of wind, friction and air turbulence.
G-Force Compensation: ability to use his super speed to automatically compensate for any G-Force difference.
meh, looks like no one has voted yet so i guess i have some time to refute some of this:
Originally posted by Entity
Really it even states that some one greater than Shrapnel is behind the attack and you can even see in the third scan that there is more than just Shrapnel involved.
behind CO-ORDINATING the assaults. and it was manchester black.
See T’Challa is one of the smartest men on the planet. If you think he’d be waltzing into a battle he didn’t know how to win, you’d be sadly mistaken.
doesn't matter how smart he is. SAYING he's smart doesn't mean anything. YOU need to USE him in a smart way. your character doesn't get to say - "i win because i'm smart!" YOU need to come up with the strategy. and if he were dropped 1on1 against superman, darkrage would be massacred. sorry entity.
You also keep referring to the facts that there is no evidence to state that Indigo’s shields will be affected by either the vibranium or anti metal radiation. What you neglect to mention is how there is just as much evidence to support their being immune to it.
but we CAN say with 100% certainty it was NOT vibranium that affected the shields. as far as has been shown, exactly one type of radiation (type unknown) was shown to affect the FORMATION of her shields. ZERO radiation types have been shown to affect the shields WHILE RAISED. to say suddenly a second type just conincedentally affects the fields is an enormous stretch -- especially in lieu of the fact that the shields are raised AND AMPED.
it's also an irrelevant point as i can just become intangible anyway. and at the speed she is sensing and processing battle info, she could EASILY cast the spell quickly enough to avoid you.
2. Yea I’m sure that no where in all the files of cerebro and Reed’s data base would provide and knowledge of Spiral’s abilities.
sure reed could have info on DHII -- may even know him REASONABLY well. but all his capabilities? even his creators didn't know his FULL abilities. you think the x-men go back, fill in reports of every feat and the levels of said feats after every battle? 😕 the type of comprehensively detailed info you're claiming exists, simply doesn't. comics have been written (avengers files, cerebro files, etc . . .) showing you the 'computer info' contained in the databanks of both the avengers and xmen. nothing in any of those things are as detailed as you are looking for. general info only, some more detailed than others, is usually what you see. and you'd have NOTHING on indigo/B8 whose shields you are up against.
Also I believe I’ve already showed what the card is capable of and how it can pull files and schematics form basically any form of information management system there is but if you wish I shall show the scans again and point out exactly what is going on and how it is.
no need. it's not HOW it's done -- it's what you'd be able to find that i am contending.
Where’s the lack of evidence? I seem to think it shows what all the Kimoyo card is capable of and that is all I need to do what I’ve stated. As for your EMP, you really think a card that generates EMP’s is vulnerable to them?
prolly not, but i have EVIDENCE to say it doesn't work on me. you have the same evidence? 😖hifty:
3. You keep claiming that I’m the one that has shown lack of evidence in things yet I’ve yet to see you prove that Spiral can grant anyone other than Rogue, who gains characteristics by her own powers, these arms of her’s.
THE ARMS WERE GRAFTED TO HER. and the situation has ONLY happened once. the one time it did happen, rogue has 4 arms. you want to convince anyone that it was rogue's powers that manifested the arms -- show proof of her manifesting something that was not NATURALLY a part of the person she touched. wolverine's adamantium. cyclops visor. dr ock's arms. captain ahab's pegleg! because all those things are analagous to spiral's arms.
4. You still claim the air strike is meaning less. Well you’ve also said that Super Sabre is capable of moving at super sonic speeds. This I’d like to see.
read supersabre's marvel bio if you don't believe me. she tracked him EFFORTLESSLY -- she toyed with him! and that was BEFORE she had the ability to process info at the speed of a supercomputer. 🙂
And the jets I’ve sent this way are capable of moving at least at mach 2! So good luck fighting them while you’ve got a mach 10 capable thread on your ass as well.
you just need to let the jets go, ent. really . . .
Trust me 7000mph is plenty fast enough to at least as a last resort avoid you for the like a few minutes tops it takes for the anti metal to be teleported there.
hmm, methinks someone isn't aware of just how quick computer-speeds are . . . even at mach 10 you'd be a snail to my senses and ability to process. we're talking about the ability to process and assimilate BILLIONS of pieces of info/second. my ability to process>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>your ability to move.
7. OK you have all the information form Reed’s computer. Not saying I know for fact I could gain access to your files with the card but its definitely not an impossibility.
i can say for a certainty that you can't hack DHII. i even showed the scan to support it. 🙂 DHII was designed in the future, and tech from even FURTHER in the future was used to design his systems. you can try and claim current wakandan tech is better than FAR future tech, but it doesn't make much sense to do so.
I’ve shown how radiation effects your shield and they can’t possibility be prepared for an assault utilizing vibranium or anti metal radiation. While you’ve shown no evidence to show the radiation in my suit and claws can’t affect your shield as the other radiation in my previous scan did.
that would be impossible to show, of course however i have shown why it is so exceedingly unlikely, i have AMPED my shields, AND i can always go intangible making the whole issue moot. 🙂 and you of course have once again failed to show any evidence to suggest the radiation in your claws is capable of affecting ANY shielding at all.
Proved that the Kimoyo card can access technology systems to learn information on both DH2 and Spiral as well as possibility scan Indigo‘s own systems.
scanning DHII? ❌ rudimentary knowledge of him and spiral? sure. scan indy's systems? i have her powers only -- no 'systems'. all her powers are in the DHII borg body.
Explained how Rogue gained Spiral’s arms while you’ve shown no prove that anyone but her could achieve this.
only happened once. and rogue could not have manifested them by definition of her powerset.
once is all i need.
See even if by chance none of all my other tactics work then T’Challa has both the intelligence and speed advantage to try them all without risking himself and more than likely by the time all my other tactics have been tested the anti metal will arrive and there’s really just nothing your metal body with computer processor speeds can do when in order to do anything they’d have to be on the field to attempt it and that alone disrupts all your systems.
kali's mind would be fine for the nanosecond required to port away then port your anti-metal into another dimension. you seem to think the instant the anti-metal arrives, i'd . . . be instantaneously incapacitated. not even close. DHII has crazy-fast regeneration AND half of him is/was human! your anti-metal has less chance of working successfully than your air strike. 🙂
besides, as i outlined above, in every conceiveable scenario, the battle ends very very quickly.
so, nothing new added here, nothing that i've not refuted several times already. still no chance for him to actually harm me in any way. between amped shields, intangibility, tactical teleportation and the ability to process info with the speed of a supercomputer, darkrage really doesn't stand a chance.
oh, and because i've not posted a pic of her in this battle yet, here's one:
it's slightly different from the other one i showed, but it lacks the nifty background. 🙁
Originally posted by leonidas
doesn't matter how smart he is. SAYING he's smart doesn't mean anything. YOU need to USE him in a smart way. your character doesn't get to say - "i win because i'm smart!" YOU need to come up with the strategy. and if he were dropped 1on1 against superman, darkrage would be massacred. sorry entity.
Now make up your mind is it me fighting or is it T’Challa? Cause first I assumed it was me utilizing his skills and then you clearly stated that it was him fighting and he doesn’t have my knowledge. (Even if his Kimoyo Card does in fact have most of it. 🙄 ) Now your saying that its my strategy and not his mind.
See that’s the thing. This is T’Challa as the mind and he’s proved many times just how resourceful he is.😉
Originally posted by leonidas
but we CAN say with 100% certainty it was NOT vibranium that affected the shields. as far as has been shown, exactly one type of radiation (type unknown) was shown to affect the FORMATION of her shields. ZERO radiation types have been shown to affect the shields WHILE RAISED. to say suddenly a second type just conincedentally affects the fields is an enormous stretch -- especially in lieu of the fact that the shields are raised AND AMPED.It’s also an irrelevant point as I can just become intangible anyway. And at the speed she is sensing and processing battle info, she could EASILY cast the spell quickly enough to avoid you.
Well first off to this, your right. I never once claimed it was vibranium that assaulted your shields. Just as your shield would have NO preparation for a vibranium or anti metal radiation assault. Your shields may by some sheer stroke of luck be completely immune to it but REALLY, what are the odds of shields that have shown a weakness to radiation in the past being immune to a completely unknown type or form of it by mere chance? 😬
Originally posted by leonidas
sure reed could have info on DHII -- may even know him REASONABLY well. but all his capabilities? even his creators didn't know his FULL abilities. you think the x-men go back, fill in reports of every feat and the levels of said feats after every battle? 😕 the type of comprehensively detailed info you're claiming exists, simply doesn't. comics have been written (avengers files, cerebro files, etc . . .) showing you the 'computer info' contained in the databanks of both the avengers and xmen. nothing in any of those things are as detailed as you are looking for. general info only, some more detailed than others, is usually what you see. and you'd have NOTHING on indigo/B8 whose shields you are up against.
Do you even have any idea just how much the X-Men have grown over the years? I mean seriously between all the members of all the variously different types of back grounds, including a cop and a soldier form the future, you think they don’t keep up to date files on all the known enemies they’ve faced? Especially the strange and reoccurring ones! As for DH2 reasonably well is all I need to know how to disable him with these kinds of tactics I’m using. As for Indigo once again as I’ve had to repeat to you SEVERAL times my card will scan her and give me details of her systems. Doesn’t matter if she’s in DH2’s body or not. He’d still have to have her programs and systems to utilize those abilities. 😉
Originally posted by leonidas
no need. it's not HOW it's done -- it's what you'd be able to find that i am contending.
As I just stated above Kali will still have to have the systems capable of producing her abilities.
Originally posted by leonidas
THE ARMS WERE GRAFTED TO HER. and the situation has ONLY happened once. the one time it did happen, rogue has 4 arms. you want to convince anyone that it was rogue's powers that manifested the arms -- show proof of her manifesting something that was not NATURALLY a part of the person she touched. wolverine's adamantium. cyclops visor. dr ock's arms. captain ahab's pegleg! because all those things are analagous to spiral's arms.
This ones just getting old and I more than believe I’ve made my point. I’ve even had a few note how I was right about this via pm. She gained the ORGANIC arms as part of her physical body. Reguardless if magic was involved. When Rogue kisses Juggernaut in Uncanny X-Men #218 she steals his abilities and they derive form magic as well! Don’t have a scan but anyone that’s read the issue should remember it or they can just read about it here.
http://www.leaderslair.com/marvelvillains/juggernaut2.html
Its towards the bottom half of the page with a picture of the cover where Juggs is reaching for Dazzler.
There’s your proof. Sorry I don’t have the issue to scan.
Originally posted by leonidas
read supersabre's marvel bio if you don't believe me. she tracked him EFFORTLESSLY -- she toyed with him! and that was BEFORE she had the ability to process info at the speed of a supercomputer.
You mean like this bio? Where is clearly states he can APPROACH the speed of sound. Not surpass it. 😕
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Super_Sabre_%28comics%29
And supercomputer thinking or no, doesn’t she have to do hand jesters to produce these spells and effects of hers? Yea supercomputer or no that’s gonna be really hard to pull those spells and things off with those 2 arms while I’m moving that much faster.
Originally posted by leonidasOh I’m very aware of how fast a supercomputer is. Why do you think I picked Black Panther for my mind? I knew he had a supercomputer the size of a rookie card in his back pocket. J
hmm, methinks someone isn't aware of just how quick computer-speeds are . . . even at mach 10 you'd be a snail to my senses and ability to process. we're talking about the ability to process and assimilate BILLIONS of pieces of info/second. my ability to process>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>your ability to move.
Originally posted by leonidasI’ll give you that its likely that my hacking attempts will prove unsuccessful but they will at least pose farther distraction perhaps.
i can say for a certainty that you can't hack DHII. i even showed the scan to support it. DHII was designed in the future, and tech from even FURTHER in the future was used to design his systems. you can try and claim current wakandan tech is better than FAR future tech, but it doesn't make much sense to do so.
Originally posted by leonidasEither way your not really intangible just not there temporally but you got to come back sooner or later.
that would be impossible to show, of course however i have shown why it is so exceedingly unlikely, i have AMPED my shields, AND i can always go intangible making the whole issue moot. and you of course have once again failed to show any evidence to suggest the radiation in your claws is capable of affecting ANY shielding at all.
Originally posted by leonidasBeen through this!
scanning DHII? rudimentary knowledge of him and spiral? sure. scan indy's systems? i have her powers only -- no 'systems'. all her powers are in the DHII borg body.
Originally posted by leonidasReally well I guess that convenient for you. Wonder if the judges will see it the same way. Especially with the juggernaut information I just presented.
only happened once. and rogue could not have manifested them by definition of her powerset.once is all i need.
Originally posted by leonidasAs I’ve shown several times that between the 2 jets attacking. Myself with all my speed and my card attempting to override your systems and now the anti metal all over the park. Most of it directly around you in very close proximity. Yea you won’t be to busy or distracted or bothered to deal with it at all.
kali's mind would be fine for the nanosecond required to port away then port your anti-metal into another dimension. you seem to think the instant the anti-metal arrives, i'd . . . be instantaneously incapacitated. not even close. DHII has crazy-fast regeneration AND half of him is/was human! your anti-metal has less chance of working successfully than your air strike.besides, as i outlined above, in every conceiveable scenario, the battle ends very very quickly.
so, nothing new added here, nothing that i've not refuted several times already. still no chance for him to actually harm me in any way. between amped shields, intangibility, tactical teleportation and the ability to process info with the speed of a supercomputer, darkrage really doesn't stand a chance.
In EVERY conceivable scenario.
