Originally posted by King KAMTried to say something like that myself but also in a more complicated way...
in pure h2h, wolverine doesnt have the skill feats to top batz, and like jinzy said, wolverine aint used to just using skill hes used to being able to rely on a healing factor, so he would take too many hits, bats wins.
Originally posted by Evil_AshThat's my dream too...Maybe if we'd make an Ultimate Namor vs. Ultimate Wolverine? 😕
I always wanted to make one. dur
Originally posted by Rewmac
Agree with ya on some terms. But the healing factor thing you got it wrong. I meant Batman never had a healing factor he learned to fight without it, he needed more efforts.
No I don't... Every time Wolverine's been shown to lose his healing factor and then have pain inflicted upon him, he's been shown to have an unreasonably strong tolerance for it that well exceeds what I've seen from batman.
Having a healing factor has nothing to do with learning the skills for how to fight so I have no idea why you're going down that tangent.
Originally posted by Rewmac
And the skill and speed is the most argueable thing ever but for speed of course I give it to Logan, but skill we could argue about that for like forever.
Fair enough...
Originally posted by Rewmac
I know Howlett feels pain but it is certainly gone faster because of the healing factor, my meaning is that Batman needed a harder training to become a great "warrior". He can certainly fight on Wolverine's best level they can match eachother if Logan doesn't have his extras (claw,hf,skeleton,senses) just two ordinary humans.
Again, just because Wolverine had a healing factor does not mean his training was any less difficult... I don't see where you're getting that from.
Originally posted by Rewmac
For the stronger part well, they both have fought stronger characters than them. Wolverine survived thanks to the healing factor and skills, Batman mostly thanks to his skills and gadgets. But note when Batman was fighting sometimes without gadgets and prep a stronger opponent (much stronger) he could still hold his own.
Originally posted by jinzinMaybe yes maybe not. Yes you got it all wrong.
No I don't... Every time Wolverine's been shown to lose his healing factor and then have pain inflicted upon him, he's been shown to have an unreasonably strong tolerance for it that well exceeds what I've seen from batman.
Having a healing factor has nothing to do with learning the skills for how to fight so I have no idea why you're going down that tangent.Fair enough...
Again, just because Wolverine had a healing factor does not mean his training was any less difficult... I don't see where you're getting that from.
Irrelivant, we're not talking about that semantic, we're discussing sheer strength. Wolverine's physically stronger than Batman, powers or no.
I cut Wolverine with a knife ---> He feels pain for like 5-10 seconds or less until he heals
I cut Batman ---> A day or maybe two days even.
Yes Logan's healing has a lot to do with him fighting. He was shown without a healing factor so his fans can love him even more. Batman never had the pleasure to get quick healing by himself in a tough fight but he went on and on even though he knew he won't heal up. Wolverine felt the pain (it healed) and went on. Yet why? If I someone stabs him he laughs at the face of the man (again heals), Batman does the same without healing. Yes Batman's pain tolerance is better than Logan's in that sense. On the other side, Wolverine said --"Me and pain, we are old buddies!" --> He fealt tons of gunfire, burning of his own skin and so (he he always heals back more or less in an hour (well not the magneto fight) but my point maybe it healing factor doesn't have to do anything with skills, but without it face it it's much tougher to be a perfect fighter. In skills Batman can match Wolverine even overcome him.
Originally posted by Rewmac
Maybe yes maybe not. Yes you got it all wrong.
No... I don't... If you had seen Wolverine's appearances where his healing factor is out, you would notice that his tolerance is far above that of a normal human anyway. 😐
Originally posted by Rewmac
I cut Wolverine with a knife ---> He feels pain for like 5-10 seconds or less until he healsI cut Batman ---> A day or maybe two days even.
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Originally posted by Rewmac
Yes Logan's healing has a lot to do with him fighting.
No.... It.... Doesn't..... 😐
You're talking to a trained fighter. LEarning how to fight is more about intelligence, patience, and practice... Having a healing factor doesn't make it easier to learn how to fight... It just makes it easier to heal damage....
Originally posted by Rewmac
He was shown without a healing factor so his fans can love him even more.
I see... So if Batman does something impressive it's because he's trained hard and he's a badass... If Wolverine on the other hand does something impressive it's strictly to appeal to the Wolverine fanbase... 🤨....... riiiiiiiiight.. 🙄
Originally posted by Rewmac
Batman never had the pleasure to get quick healing by himself in a tough fight but he went on and on even though he knew he won't heal up.
So?
Originally posted by Rewmac
Wolverine felt the pain (it healed) and went on. Yet why? If I someone stabs him he laughs at the face of the man (again heals), Batman does the same without healing. Yes Batman's pain tolerance is better than Logan's in that sense. On the other side, Wolverine said --"Me and pain, we are old buddies!" --> He fealt tons of gunfire, burning of his own skin and so (he he always heals back more or less in an hour (well not the magneto fight).
And Wolverine has said on over a half dozen occassions that his healing factor doesn't to a damned thing to negate the pain inflicted on him.... He heals from injury, but the pain is still there.. He discussed this in the X-men arch after fighting Cassandra Nova... and again.. NOT ONE of Batman's pain tolerance feats can even compare to Logans... Wolverine walked through an inferno to save a little girl.. He was burnt over 90% of his body.. He didn't scream, he didn't fall, he didn't falter. Again, Bat's best pain tolerance feats can't compare.. And the healing factor has nothing to do with that.
Originally posted by Rewmac
but my point maybe it healing factor doesn't have to do anything with skills, but without it face it it's much tougher to be a perfect fighter. In skills Batman can match Wolverine even overcome him.
No, without a healing factor it's easier to be a perfect fighter.. hence the whole rational that Wolverine for the purposes of this confrontation will make mistakes or fight sloppy one time too many.. The healing factor is a crutch in place of fighting skill....
In skills it's argueable as you've already said.
i usually see wolverine just diving into danger and getting wounded easily. i thinks it's probably cuz the writer's want to remind the reader how important his healing factor is.
since he doesn't have and enchancements in this fight, i'm hoping wolverine can come to his senses and actually control himself and starts fighting like the samurai/ninja he was trained to be and uses his experience. i doubt it though.
still, i think if logan does lose, he'll give batman some good hits before he's KOed.