Qui-Gon Jinn's ghost in Episode III?

Started by Lyn5 pages

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I thought he was gonna come back and tell Obi-Wan and Yoda how to disappear when they die...you know, one with the force and all that good shite.
But thats just me.

Qui-Gon will not be back in Epsiode 3. Liam Neeson said as much after Episode 1. Considering the way he trashed the film, I doubt Lucas would want him anyway. I'm sure Lucas can use his voice, but he definitely won't be seen in Episode 3 if Neeson is to be believed.

Originally posted by The One Part 2
Qui-Gon will not be back in Epsiode 3. Liam Neeson said as much after Episode 1. Considering the way he trashed the film, I doubt Lucas would want him anyway. I'm sure Lucas can use his voice, but he definitely won't be seen in Episode 3 if Neeson is to be believed.
I hate it when SW actors trash the movies. Ewan McGregor is really bad for doing that. He should think himself a very privelaged man indeed coz millions would love to be in his place.

well, he gets payed to do something he really doesn't like (acting with bluescreen), so after he films the stuff, he's free to say what he wants about it

If an actor does a great gob acting as a certain character, but hates the character/role, then you know he's a good actor. Very often actors will hate the characters they play, but they're allowed to have their own opinion.
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Originally posted by yerssot
it's very realistic

Realists don't exist. They're just pessimists trying to sound sofisticated. 馃槈

Absolutely; actors are paid to act, not act as a mouthpiece for the filmmakers. In the end, Ewan has put 100% effort into the role and done it great without letting any of his dislikes affect the process. What more do you want from an actor? If anything, it is in the Obi-Wan tradition, knowing as we all do the opinion Alec Guiness had on it!

Sorry...I don't. 馃槷
What was his opinion on it??

how did Neeson trash Sw?

Dumb question but when was QGJ in Attack of the Clones?

he wasn't, his voice was, when Yoda was meditating and Anakin was slaughtering the Tuskens

HOW RELIABLE IS THE INFO ON THE "SHADOWS OF THE SITH" WEBSITE. IT HAS A DETAILED PLOT SYNOPSIS AND SPECIFICALLY MENTIONS QUIGON WILL APPEAR TO YODA AND BEN AND TELL THEM HOW TO BECOME GHOSTS. PALPATINE ALSO IS SUPPOSED TO TELL ANAKIN HE KNOWS HOW TO DO THIS AS WELL. IS THE SITE TOTAL B.S. OR IS THIS ACCURATE INFO?

I would be very hesistant to call it accurate.

BTW, Lyn, Alec Guiness famously did not like Star Wars. Actually, his dislike of it has been overstated but it really was not his sort of film.

Famously he once, upon being confronted by a fan who said he had seen Star Wars 100 times and that Alec was his favourite actor in it, agreed to sign an autograph for the fan on the condition that he never saw that bloody film again...

How much truth is there to the statement GL made that the key to the dissapearing/ghost trick lies in the line of obi-wan to vader, "if you strike me down, i shall become more powerful than you can possibly imagine?"

Originally posted by Ushgarak
BTW, Lyn, Alec Guiness famously did not like Star Wars. Actually, his dislike of it has been overstated but it really was not his sort of film.

Famously he once, upon being confronted by a fan who said he had seen Star Wars 100 times and that Alec was his favourite actor in it, agreed to sign an autograph for the fan on the condition that he never saw that bloody film again...

I never knew that. I think it's the only series of films I've ever seen him in, so, I wouldn't know what his sort of film is.

Really?? He said that?? Well... 馃槅
I didn't realise he felt that way...

Originally posted by bigsef3
How much truth is there to the statement GL made that the key to the dissapearing/ghost trick lies in the line of obi-wan to vader, "if you strike me down, i shall become more powerful than you can possibly imagine?"

As far as we know, 100% truth. That is the founding principle that denies anyone's attemtp to explain it along the lines of 'destiny', 'being killed by a Sith' or 'being prepared for death' because this line, and Vader's response afterwards, shows that this is not just some rare trick Obi-Wan has mastered but a brand new thing that has never happened before.

And Lyn, yeah. AG was an oscar-winning professional actor and SW was a little bit beneath him.

BUT. He did agree to do it, and he did agree to do the sequels (being very happy with a larger role in ROTJ than ESB), he was canny enough to get a share from the merchandising sales and he made a lot of money out of them. So whilst he hated anyone who thought that all he had done was SW, it would be overstating it to say he loathed the films, as some people say he did.

But the principle of Obi-Wan's actor not being a 100% film fan has been carried on rather neatly I think!

And of course, once he had done it, it stopped being 'beneath' him as such because Alec Guiness very much legitimised SW as a franchise where serious actors could appear. That and Peter Cushing, though he far more commonly did apparently go-nowhere films like SW than a man like Alec Guiness.

I was thinking that Lucas is a tricky bastard, and I would like to know the exact quote that he used, and it's context. I have thought about that line over and over since I first read lucas' comment and I have never come up with a satisfactory answer, and I certainly haven't heard anyone else come up with one, either. Which leads me to two conclusions:

1. Qui-gon DOES return in EIII, and offer an explaination on this ability, possibly having something to do with anakin's extremely high midi-chlorian count and acceptance that the force is not just a "force," but has an intelligent will of its own.

2. Qui-gon DOES NOT return in EIII. Yoda discovers some "relic" on Kashyyyk as mentioned in several spoiler reports that somehow holds the key to the death trick. In this case, Perhaps instead of analyzing the LINE GL quoted that was the key, we should perhaps look at the screen, see if there are any gestures, or items on the characters or set, that could clue us in.

Just some ideas. I am interested in your views.

I think the line should be taken as read.

so do you think qui-gon returns and offers some explaination to yoda and ben, who subsequently use this trick themselves... or do you think yoda discovers this on his own and shares it with ben.

obviously, the ability to dissappear and become a ghost has something to do with anakin, specifically. And possibly has some relation to a part of the prophecy we havent heard yet. Episodes I, II, IV, V, and IV do not provide any solid proof to support the line "if YOU strike me down, i shall become more powerful than you can possibly imagine," so this line must make sense in light of something completely new that is revealed in EIII.