Originally posted by Nikkolas
Yahweh is The Presence as far as I'm concerned. Vertigo is part of DC so their God should be the exact same as DC's God and rating one higher than the other is absurd.
Correct 🙂 . They are the same. When Michael went to fight his Father all of the angels flew up to stop him and told him that all of them would defend The Presence...
He likely is an aspect of God, as he has said on panel that he is shaped by outside forces and DC"s God, Has NEVER been seen. So absurb? rethink.
Except that quote could mean anything. We have only supposition whe those external forces could refer to something not in-universe. It coul dmean the writers, the artists, the exitor, DC Comics as a whole.
There is no explanation given so there's no point really using that quote in my opinion.
Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
He likely is an aspect of God, as he has said on panel that he is shaped by outside forces and DC"s God, Has NEVER been seen. So absurb? rethink.
Not necessarily. You can just as easily rank them the same, even if he is shaped by outside forces.
Prime example: God and Jesus Christ.
Originally posted by CosmicSurfer
Isn't it true that Destiny of the endless is more powerful than Lucifer?
I would rank him higher. They both share animosity against each other. After reading more about Destiny it seems him and The Word are the same being. I'm also trying to get more information about The Source.
Originally posted by NikkolasTheres no way of proving Lucifer is canon in the regular DCU. There only connection is the Sandman series but there are several points that disprove of it. I would place the Lucifer series in the same boat at the Preacher.
Yahweh is The Presence as far as I'm concerned. Vertigo is part of DC so their God should be the exact same as DC's God and rating one higher than the other is absurd.
How could I forget the endless.
Here's my list again:
Presence/Great Evil Beast(Although I think they merged together as one supreme being)
Elaine
Destiny????
Micheal/Lucifer/Decreator
Fully powered Spectre/The word/
Death of the endless
the rest of the endless
The Source
Mr. Mxy
Normal powered Spectre
Phantom Stranger
Originally posted by Big Sexy
I extremely doubt that. Even Michael stated if he wanted he could take destinies book and there's nothing he could do about it. Lucifer and Michael tolerate him, nothing more.
Destiny told him he wouldn't be able to read it so it would be useless even if he did. Destiny put events in motion to save the universe.. Elaine does not belong above Luci or her dad as well. The Source is rated to low.
Originally posted by CosmicSurferI'd say so... [In a manner of speaking]..
Isn't it true that Destiny of the endless is more powerful than Lucifer?
Even Lucifer is bound by Destiny's book, as all things are.
Originally posted by Big SexyMichael could have tried to take the book, but as Destiny himself explained, the Book has no existence separate from himself.
Even Michael stated if he wanted he could take destinies book and there's nothing he could do about it.
Taking the book would have accomplished nothing, and so Michael didn't even try.
It's tough dealing with the truly omniscient lol.
Originally posted by MerlynDestiny has journeyed to the Universe's end, where he and Death were the only "things" left.
It's Destiny of the Endless "destined" (no pun intended), to be the last being alive in the Universe?
Since all existence had been destroyed, there was no longer a need for the concept of Destiny, so he was claimed by Death [much to his relief]:
