Forum Rules (read before posting!)

KMC Vs. Forum Rules

No bashing.
This should be common sense. Don't attack your fellow posters, it won't be tolerated.

No vulgar language.
This will be hard for some of you, but DON'T DO IT. Your posts are subject to deletion without notice for obscene references and vulgarity.

No duplicate posting.
Before opening a thread please use the search feature to ensure that a thread on your subject does not already exist.
Here is a helpful link on searches: http://www.killermovies.com/forums/432545_1-how-to-use-the-new-search-function

Report button
USE IT to report any inappropriate posts. Your reports will be seen by other moderators online and action will be taken as the Moderators deem appropriate.

Rules for the matches themselves:

Keep them comic related.
Matches between non-comic characters will be closed. The rule for characters will be this: Are they viewed primarily in a comic medium, or do they originate in comics? *Manga/anime, not allowed. Star Wars, not allowed. Other groups or individuals will be dealt with on an individual basis

* - Amendments: Non comic characters, or characters that are primarily known from movies/cartoons, but are of a similar genre as action hero comics, are now allowed.

Examples:
Video Game Characters: God Of War, Metal Gear, Halo, etc.
Action Movie Characters: Terminator, The One (Jet Li), The Bride (Kill Bill), etc.
Cartoon: Transformers, Dragonball Z & GT (considered canon continuity), Centurions, Thundercats, etc.

Stipulations are that there must be a "mainstream" comic book character of comparable ability and tier participating in the battle. Consider this the "No Goku Vs. Batman (No GvB) Rule. Evidence must be provided to substantiate the claims made in arguments for these characters as with any other. To that end, video evidence (Youtube videos and other clips, screen shots) will be admissible.

A character bio must be provided for the character.

For characters with multiple versions (comic, movie, cartoon, manga, anime, base*, equipped*, etc.) please state in the topic heading which version of the character is being used.

* - Videogame characters from certain videogames, particularly RPGs, accumulate abilities throughout their adventures. For this reason it is necessary to state whether you are using the "base"(meaning primary abilities only, for example; Kratos with only the Blades of Chaos and his fighting skills as of the beginning of God of War I) or "equipped" (using all accumulated skills, weapons, and powers from their respective storylines, meaning Kratos with all spells, powers, weapons, etc. he gathered through his adventures in God of War I & II).

All video game characters are their storyline, non-playable versions. No gameplay footage will be admissible as evidence.

Obvious spite threads will be closed at the mods discretion. Abuse of this Amendments will result in threads being closed and further disciplinary action if necessary.

The "No Spiderman Vs. Firelord [SvsFL]" Rule

At times, for the sake of the plot, characters that are immensely more powerful than their opponent will "job" to carry on the plot of the story, even though the characters powers and history would clearly show that they are more than capable of destroying their opponent. For this reason we have a "No Spiderman vs Firelord" [No SvsFL] Rule. This rule prohibits the use of such instances of PIS from being used as evidence in debates.

Just post battles here.
This is a "versus" forum. A forum dedicated to comic character matches. Any thread that isn’t a match will get closed.
NOTE: Characters involved in a fight should be written in thread title.

Maximum number of contenders
Let's keep it maximum 3 versus 3, with the exception of teams. More than 2 characters in a match is hard to discuss, threads like that often disappear in 2 days, imagine 8 or 10 characters involved...

(Now, in some cases, an exception or two might be made with some threads. It's usually a judgement call on the moderator's part. But, of course, if a thread has like 25+ characters, it WILL be closed. NO exceptions)

No Spite Threads
Now, a spite thread is usually considered as a thread opened to intentionally be one-sided (because the poster may not like that character, or opened to goad another person into responding, etc.). Moderators will decide if or if not a thread was made out of spite. Spite threads are NOT tolerated and will be closed, and the poster warned (or more severe consequences will be taken if that poster's been warned multiple times).

No “Members” Threads
Forum members should be left out of battles and thread titles unless you have explicit permission from the person and it has been approved by a Moderator.

That's it people. This is your forum, love it, take care of it, make it shine, make it the BEST versus forum on earth..... but don't ruin it breaking any of the rules above, or KMC general rules: http://www.killermovies.com/forums/misc.php?action=rules

Whenever you have any questions, suggestions, complaints, anything about this forum, PM a moderator!!

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Debating Format

Rules/Standard Fight Settings
In most cases, the poster who originally set up the versus fight determines the conditions of the fight itself (ex. If a character like Superman is in a thread, it'll be assumed that it's the current version unless mentioned otherwise by the thread starter, the same goes with Thanos without the IG, and so on). However, in the cases where the original poster did not set down any constraints or conditions for the fight, then the match would default to the standard rules below.

Prep time
Neither side receives any notable prep time before the starting bell unless the thread starter specifies it. Neither side may take any offensive or defensive actions before the starting bell. Planning is allowed and powers that are automatic or 'always on' can be up, but actions such as setting up forcefields, taking flight, or consciously activating powers is not. For example, Batman cannot shove together an 'anti-Avengers ray' before the fight.

Standard Equipment
Each side starts out with the equipment that they normally and have been shown to consistently carry on them. For example, Daredevil would have his billy-club, but Reed Richards would not have the Ultimate Nullifier.
In a scenario fight, the contestants in whose city/reality the fight takes place are allowed access to any material resources they usually have there or of any team they're active members of, as long as they can reasonably get to them. For example, in a scenario set in the DCU, Green Lantern would have access to equipment in the JLA Watchtower, but not the Titans headquarters.

Basic Knowledge
Each side receives basic knowledge of the other. A good measure of this would be what the general population of the character's homeworld knows. For example, that Superman has a weakness to Kryptonite is general knowledge, but that he's Clark Kent is not.

Full Capacity
It is assumed that each contestant will fight to his/her best ability, but still within the character's personality, unless specified otherwise. That means they will use any powers at their disposal. For example, even though The Flash doesn't clock each of his own opponents in the first millisecond in his own comic, it is assumed that is a viable tactic on this board since it is a proven fact that he possesses that level of speed.
It is also assumed that the characters fight at their optimum levels of ability - not explicitly weakened or unusually powered up for those who have variable power levels.

No outside help
Unless specified otherwise, no contestant may call for outside assistance, even in scenario matches. For example, Captain America cannot call in the Avengers during a fight with Batman.

Leaving the field
Combatants who leave the field of combat on purpose forfeit the match. If they are removed from the arena against their will (being punched, thrown, teleported, etc.) and can make it back under their own power in a reasonable amount of time, then they are still in the fight. Obviously, if a combatant leaves the field and cannot return under their own power, then they have lost.

No Bias Claims
"Batman can beat Thor because he's cooler!" That's an example of how not to debate. We would like to see the rationale behind any claims that one character can beat the other rather than a claim based on popularity and subjective bias.
Also, we insist that all claims be backed up by evidence from canon sources. If you claim that Spiderman is stronger than Superman, then you have to prove it.

No Non-canon Sources
Non-canon sources are invalid for evidence. With rare exceptions, comics not in continuity such as Elseworlds, What Ifs, or alternate universes are not used for evidence in debates of a particular mainstream character.

A canon source is one that is regarded as being 'in continuity'. In the example of Star Trek; instances from the series and movies can be used, but books are definitely out. Comic book crossovers are usually unusable as they ignore common sense most of the time (DC vs. Marvel is certainly unusable in some cases in our debates!).

No Mentioning Events of PIS
Plot Induced Stupidity, or PIS, is when characters don't use their abilities or skills to the fullest extent as shown before, even within their personality ranges, for the sake of the story plotline. It makes lesser powered characters an actual challenge against higher powered characters in the comics. Examples of PIS include Flash stories lasting longer than three panels, or Toy Man as a threat to Superman.

Character Induced Stupidity, or CIS, on the other hand, refers to any natural mental limitations that characters impose upon themselves and reduce their ability to use their own skills and powers effectively. Unlike PIS, CIS does not occur because the plot requires it, but because the character is genuinely that dumb. Examples of the CIS-afflicted include characters such as Rhino or Jar Jar Binks. Events of CIS are not exempt from debates.

Concerning Superspeed
It's said that the speed of thought is about 30 m/s.
Note that it's meters per second, not miles
Reference:http://hypertextbook.com/facts/2002/DavidParizh.shtml
(Now this isn't in stone, if you feel you know something that you believe is better, then go with it).

Amendment:

Concerning the Battlefield
Unless otherwise stated by the thread originator, the standard distance between combatants will be .5 kilometers in line of sight at the onset of battle, and there will be an implied "buzz" to signify the onset of battle. It will be assumed combatants are primed to go at the gun.

Also, all characters, regardless of where the fight takes place, or what universe/medium they are native to, will have full access to their abilities at optimum efficiency as they are depicted in their native universes. It will be assumed that each character fights as they are normally presented regardless of battle locale. This means that Flash will in fact have SpeedForce abilities if the battle took place in Marvel Manhattan, and Goku's chi/lifeforce tracking abilities will work in the Wildstorm or Darkhorse Universes. Battles will always take place on an assumed equal playing field.

Thank you and enjoy.

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2nd Statute:

No antagonizing or interacting with socks and trolls will be tolerated. They are to be ignored. Any poster found antagonizing a troll will receive disciplinary action themselves.

DO NOT ENABLE THEIR BEHAVIOR.

Everyone is held accountable for their own actions with no exceptions.

Adding on to the 2nd Statute...

You're not going to be banned or destroyed or anything for antagonizing the socks with comments like "Oh, it's so-and-so in sock form..." or anything of that sort.

The thing we will be disciplining you for would be "Oh, lawlz, it's sock so-and-so, **** u budie!" Etcetera. Etcetera.

We prefer that you all use the Ignore feature. Same goes for fellow members you dislike. Think of it as when your mother has to separate you and a sibling because you're arguing over who gets to use the television remote.

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