Angel Boards, Witchboards, and Ouija Boards Avoid Them

Originally posted by AngryManatee
No, that isn't the what's at stake here. You're claiming that what these people claim to have experienced is true, so what is it that is so special about their case that makes their story more believable than someone who believes they've been abducted and experimented on? These abductees have vivd memories about their abductions, so what makes their story any different from these people who have had experiences with demons?

Nice try with the whole philisophical turnaround there, but I'm not the one who is up for questioning, and the fact that you're immediately resorting to this kind of tactic so early on in this silly thread leads me to think that I'm only going to get nothing but lame excuses and verses as answers.

Edit: Why are you asking people if they can handle the truth? You already have another thread for that topic (which coincidentally should be titled "Can you handle the opinion?"😉

I never said anything about their story being more believeable than an alien abduction case--you did. I never said that their story was more believeable either--that was all you. I never said that their stories were different from an alien abduction--again that was all you.

I simply presented their experiences.

What philosophical turnaround, could you be more specific? Well, can you handle the Truth? What is so difficult about reading about someone's experience and then afterwards considering what you just read? Why does anything that contradicts your belief system or previous experience have to be so problematic? If I had told you that these people were abducted by aliens you would probably believe that hook, line, sinker, the fisherman, the boat, and his boots--all without question.

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[QUOTE=]Originally posted by Naz
My mom played with a ouija board when she was a kidand she's as devout a Catholic as anybody[/QUOTE]

Oh...maybe JIA is right then.

Basically all that is going on is the ideomotor effect, simply try using them blindfolded and have someone watch you and you will get a bunch of gibberish.

Originally posted by JesusIsAlive
I never said anything about their story being more believeable than an alien abduction case--you did. I never said that their story was more believeable either--that was all you. I never said that their stories were different from an alien abduction--again that was all you.

I simply presented their experiences.

What philosophical turnaround, could you be more specific? Well, can you handle the Truth? What is so difficult about reading about someone's experience and then afterwards considering what you just read? Why does anything that contradicts your belief system or previous experience have to be so problematic? If I had told you that these people were abducted by aliens you would probably believe that hook, line, sinker, the fisherman, the boat, and his boots--all without question.

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People who believe in space alien abductions and those who believe in demon possessions are in the same boat.

The fact is, time is valuable. So, why should anyone spend time reading even convincing bullshit?

Originally posted by King Kandy
And every time I see those things... I don't feel the presence of God.

hmm... Contridictions, contridictions.

Also, what are these "Other methods" of knowing if they're telling the truth, you said we'd use them, but never said what they are.

So, that is not a contradiction.

Originally posted by JesusIsAlive
[COLOR=darkblue]What makes anything that someone else says true King Kandy? I believe this is a legitimate question. For example, what makes an eyewitness testimony true or valid in a court of law? What proof does the eyewitness have to corroborate their testimony? Most testimony is just that: "testimony." So, I redirected the question to locate AngryManatee and to get him to realize that if a person's own words are no longer any good then what is the point of a testimony? For example, King Kandy if you saw a UFO right outside your house but you were the only one to see it, how would you convey this to other people? How could you prove that you saw it without any other evidence except your experience? Now do you follow why I redirected AngryManatee's question? It does not matter how true your experience is King Kandy if all someone has to say is, "how do you know you saw a UFO," in order to discredit it. Well, this man experienced what he experienced as a result of experimenting with ouija boards and he tells us what the upshot was. We have no proof that what he says is true. I believe that in situations like yours (the scenario that I introduced for you) and the situation with the guy in question (Jeff Harshbarger) you have to find another way to determine whether they are being truthful or not. I believe that he is telling the truth.

No, I said you would have to find another way to determine whether someone was telling the truth. There is no standard for doing this per se.[/COLOR]

Originally posted by JesusIsAlive
But did you learn anything?

Nope. I didn't bother reading it.

Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
Nope. I didn't bother reading it.

Afraid?

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Originally posted by Shakyamunison
People who believe in space alien abductions and those who believe in demon possessions are in the same boat.

The fact is, time is valuable. So, why should anyone spend time reading even convincing bullshit?

I beg to differ. Alien abductions are not proven. Demons have been shown to exist based on paranormal study, eyewitness accounts, and the veracity of the Bible.

Originally posted by Bardock42
[QUOTE=]Originally posted by Naz
[B]My mom played with a ouija board when she was a kidand she's as devout a Catholic as anybody

Oh...maybe JIA is right then. [/B][/QUOTE]

Aw...shucks stop, stop your being too kind.

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Originally posted by JesusIsAlive
I beg to differ. Alien abductions are not proven. Demons have been shown to exist based on paranormal study, and eyewitness accounts, and the veracity of the Bible.

😆 hysterical

I have a friend who believes in alien abductions and he would say that they are proved by eyewitness accounts and he would also point out all the occurrences of UFO's in the bible.

I don't know how paranormal study can be proof of anything. 😆

Originally posted by Shakyamunison
😆 hysterical

I have a friend who believes in alien abductions and he would say that they are proved by eyewitness accounts and he would also point out all the occurrences of UFO's in the bible.

I don't know how paranormal study can be proof of anything. 😆

Your friend (puff the magic, green dragon) is not real (I am genuinely concerned for you Shakyamunison).

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You are talking about in the Book of Ezekiel? Those are not UFOs, they are types of angelic creatures.

Originally posted by JesusIsAlive
Your friend (puff the magic, green dragon) is not real (I am genuinely concerned for you Shakyamunison).

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You are talking about in the Book of Ezekiel? Those are not UFOs, they are types of angelic creatures.

My friend is very real. He is a producer who works in Nashville. He would disagree with you. It is absolutely clear, to him, that those things are UFO's.

Do you see the problem with blind belief? If you do not temper belief with reason, you will be blinded by delusion.

Originally posted by Shakyamunison
My friend is very real. He is a producer who works in Nashville. He would disagree with you. It is absolutely clear, to him, that those things are UFO's.

Do you see the problem with blind belief? If you do not temper belief with reason, you will be blinded by delusion.

That's it we are going to have to have you committed for further observation. Green dragons, invisible unicorns, santa clause, the easter bunny, and the rest of the gang are not real.

You mean like you, blinded to the Truth of the gospel of the Lord Jesus Christ?

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Originally posted by JesusIsAlive
I beg to differ. Alien abductions are not proven. Demons have been shown to exist based on paranormal study, eyewitness accounts, and the veracity of the Bible.

There is probably more “evidence” that UFO’s exist than demons from sightings, video, documents and history.

Originally posted by ThePittman
paranormal study = not valid proof
eyewitness accounts = not valid proof
veracity of the Bible = not valid proof

There is probably more “evidence” that UFO’s exist than demons from sightings, video, documents and history.

Just ask any genuine satanist, practicing witch, medium, conjurer, witchdoctor, or shaman if demons exist. They know that demons are real because they have seen them, conversed with them, and are possessed by them. Why is this so problematic for you? Demons do exist you are only a small, small minority who doubt the existence of demons while the rest of the 6 billion people on the earth know the demons are real.

Originally posted by JesusIsAlive

That's it we are going to have to have you committed for further observation. Green dragons, invisible unicorns, santa clause, the easter bunny, and the rest of the gang are not real.

You mean like you, blinded to the Truth of the gospel of the Lord Jesus Christ?

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Your list would include your limited male (with no genitals) god.

Originally posted by JesusIsAlive
Just ask any genuine satanist, practicing witch, medium, conjurer, witchdoctor, or shaman if demons exist. They know that demons are real because they have seen them, conversed with them, and are possessed by them. Why is this so problematic for you? Demons do exist you are only a small, small minority who doubt the existence of demons while the rest of the 6 billion people on the earth know the demons are real.

One man’s delusion does not validate another man’s delusion.

Originally posted by Shakyamunison
Your list would include your limited male (with no genitals) god.

One man’s delusion does not validate another man’s delusion.

No my list includes the Father, the Son Jesus, the Holy Spirit. On a much lower, non-divine level the angels, seraphims, cherubims, living creatures, demons, and satan.

The difference is that they are all real.

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Originally posted by JesusIsAlive
No my list includes the Father, the Son Jesus, the Holy Spirit. On a much lower, non-divine level the angels, seraphims, cherubims, living creatures, demons, and satan.

The difference is that they are all [B]real.

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That is what you believe, just like those people who believe in UFO's. To them, UFO's are just as real.

Originally posted by JesusIsAlive
Just ask any genuine satanist, practicing witch, medium, conjurer, witchdoctor, or shaman if demons exist. They know that demons are real because they have seen them, conversed with them, and are possessed by them. Why is this so problematic for you? Demons do exist you are only a small, small minority who doubt the existence of demons while the rest of the 6 billion people on the earth know the demons are real.

Let see there about 1.1 billion Atheist/Agnostic/Non-Religious people in the world that I’m sure would disagree with you. There are only about 2.1 billion Christians and 1.3 Muslims so I’m not sure where you are getting your 6 billion from. I could ask someone that had a UFO encounter and they will also say the same thing that they were abducted and whatever and so what is your point?

Originally posted by Shakyamunison
That is what you believe, just like those people who believe in UFO's. To them, UFO's are just as real.

And to you puff the magic, green dragon is more real than Jesus Christ.

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