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Originally posted by xmarksthespot
Relatively off-topic, although it's a random topic anyway; subjective sensory perception does not dictate objective actuality. It's pure egotism to suggest such.

Originally posted by Alfheim
Yeah your right.

Weve had this discussion before. If thats what you think, fine. Ive asked you before please not to respond to my posts. I would put you on ignore but I cant be bothered.

Anyway off topic.

Originally posted by Swanky-Tuna
No, in that situation my view isn't reality because it isn't real.

According to your defintion.

Originally posted by Swanky-Tuna

Without more information, I was forced to fill in the blanks, exactly what the people of the past had to do. Of course they weren't as scientifically advanced as we are today so they came up with stuff like gods crying for rain and talkative nymphs creating echoes.

Your not sticking to the subject I was refereing to something that happened in 1998. Im not talking about people of the past in that post you quoted.

Originally posted by Swanky-Tuna

Well, I think it depends on the motivation, but for the most part I agree. Though my goals are similar: Be cool, be respected (in part by being respectful), and make enough to not live in a ditch.

Fair enough.

Originally posted by Creshosk
Wouldn't it just be easier to call subjective validation.. or say anecodotal evidence doesn't count?

Its not subjective when several people percieve the same thing. Its subjective when one person percieves it.

Originally posted by Creshosk

X is right though. Take for example the cases of those who've had their preceptions altered by chemicals. or those persons who naturally have mental disorders. One own's preception may dictate their own reality, however they clearly do not effect other's realities, noer that of what is actual. And isn't it selfish to say that the way you preceive things to be is the way things are? Certainly it would be for me to say the way I preceive things to be is the way they are. Especially when tainted by the bias of both how you were raised and how you are genetically wired.

That doesnt apply when several or more than one person percieve a miracle or supernatural. That applies to one person.

Originally posted by Alfheim
Its not subjective when several people percieve the same thing. Its subjective when one person percieves it.

That doesnt apply when several or more than one person percieve a miracle or supernatural. That applies to one person.

Sometime ago the majority of society precived the earth to be flat and a geocentric solar system. Because relative to their position and percpective the world was flat and the sun literally rose and set. rather than the earth being so large that the curve was to subtle to really be precieved by the human eye and we had no way of seeing that the earth revolved around the sun and rotated on its axis.

Human percpective can never truly see the truth even if we think we do.

Originally posted by Creshosk

Human percpective can never truly see the truth even if we think we do.

Well I think reality is subjective. 😐 All Im saying is that its obnoxious to say that people are hallucinating when several people percieve something that conflicts what you believe in.

Originally posted by Alfheim
Well I think reality is subjective. 😐

Reality itself isn't subjective, our preceptions of it are.

Like we're so predisposed to aspects of our own cultures that when we see things we don't understand our brains try to relate them to things we do.

For example if several people saw some dust particles moving around and for a few moments took on a vauge human shape, those people might be predisposed to see it as a ghost. It's just how our brains work, they try to make sense of that which they don't understand.. Heck, we do that quite a bit here on the forums of interpreting comic book events...

Originally posted by Creshosk
Well, that's your subjective opinion.

Yeah

Originally posted by Creshosk

Reality itself isn't subjective, our preceptions of it are.

and thats your opinion.

Originally posted by Creshosk

Like we're so predisposed to aspects of our own cultures that when we see things we don't understand our brains try to relate them to things we do.

Or another possibility is that they did see a Jinn.

Originally posted by Creshosk

For example if several people saw some dust particles moving around and for a few moments took on a vauge human shape, those people might be predisposed to see it as a ghost. It's just how our brains work, they try to make sense of that which they don't understand.. Heck, we do that quite a bit here on the forums of interpreting comic book events...

Why are you assuming that they had to be dust particles?

Originally posted by Alfheim
Yeah

and thats your opinion.

Suggesting that reality actually IS different for each person isn't just ignorant.. its down right stupid. Little kids tie towlels around their necks and think they can fly. If you were right then their preception of reality would be true for them and they would be able to fly. But you know that that's absurd because they wind up falling and getting themselves hurt.

Reality exists in a certain form. What it is I cannot say, I can only tell you how I preceive it to be.

Thinking that it's truly subjective commits both the stolen concept fallacy and the relitivist fallacy.

Originally posted by Alfheim
Or another possibility is that they did see a Jinn.

Originally posted by Alfheim
Why are you assuming that they had to be dust particles?

Originally posted by Creshosk
No.. that's the way it is. Reality exists seperate from any of our consiousnesses. We can't know what it truly is other than the fact that it is seperate from the way we preceive it.

Suggesting that reality actually IS different for each person isn't just ignorant.. its down right stupid. Little kids tie towlels around their necks and think they can fly. If you were right then their preception of reality would be true for them and they would be able to fly. But you know that that's absurd because they wind up falling and getting themselves hurt.

Reality exists in a certain form. What it is I cannot say, I can only tell you how I preceive it to be.

Thinking that it's truly subjective commits both the stolen concept fallacy and the relitivist fallacy.

Maybe somewhere in the world somebody can fly. All im saying is that belief affects reality and just because somebody perceives something that conflicts my beliefs doesnt make it wrong.

Originally posted by Creshosk

Not likely. Tell me what other evidence is there of this supposed jinn's presence? You know anything to support something more than a mundane explination?

1. They were not on drugs, drunk or half asleep.
2. They know what a shadow looks like and they know what a man looks like.....and humans dont look like that.
3. Since when do dust particles form into a shape of a man and start walking into peoples room? 🤨
4. There were no reports of a burglar dressed up in black breaking into peoples houses.

Originally posted by Creshosk

Because its a more logical explination than a culturally subjective interpritation of something.

Ok so your opinion isnt subjective is that what you're telling me? 🤨

Originally posted by Alfheim
Maybe somewhere in the world somebody can fly. All im saying is that belief affects reality and just because somebody perceives something that conflicts my beliefs doesnt make it wrong.

Originally posted by Alfheim
1. They were not on drugs, drunk or half asleep.
2. They know what a shadow looks like and they know what a man looks like.....and humans dont look like that.
3. Since when do dust particles form into a shape of a man and start walking into peoples room? 🤨
4. There were no reports of a burglar dressed up in black breaking into peoples houses.

Originally posted by Alfheim
Ok so your opinion isnt subjective is that what you're telling me? 🤨

Originally posted by Creshosk
On things that are subjective in and of themselves like preferences sure. However if its about how reality functions, things that are objective.. then no. Your beliefs won't change the way things are.

Again thats your opinion. If thats what you think fine.

Originally posted by Creshosk

Since when do clouds look like stuff? It's like seeing "the devil" in wood grain. Much like a roshach test. They thought they saw something that exists in their culture. Their brains acting much like a cd filled in the gaps and their brains thought they saw something. With no lasting proof to be verified I'm affraid that all it is is a group consiousness. Much like the people who thought the earth was flat because they couldn't see the curve of the earth. Or people who thought the sun revolved around the earth because they couldn't see things from an outside perspective. Numbers don't matter.

Ok fine you thought they saw dust particles. Maybe it was, maybe it wasnt. How do you explain several people actually seeing stuff fly through the air?

Originally posted by Creshosk

Are you even capable of understanding the words I write in front of you or are you being deliberatly stupid?

Look the point is your opinion is subjective as well. I didnt say anything stupid......shheeeesshhh.

Originally posted by Alfheim
Again thats your opinion. If thats what you think fine.

Its not just my opinion my friend. but reality the world around us exists seperate and independant from any human preception.

Or are you saying that without humans the earth would cease to exist?

Isn't that rather selfish and arrogant a thing to say?

Originally posted by Alfheim
Ok fine you thought they saw dust particles. Maybe it was, maybe it wasnt. How do you explain several people actually seeing stuff fly through the air?

Originally posted by Alfheim
:rollseye:

Originally posted by Creshosk
If you beleive that then you might want to be tested for Schizophrenia.

Its not just my opinion my friend. but reality the world around us exists seperate and independant from any human preception.

Or are you saying that without humans the earth would cease to exist?

Isn't that rather selfish and arrogant a thing to say?

Because stuff flew through the air for them to see...

I dont think its thats simple but nevermind.

Originally posted by Creshosk

Its a valid question. I'm not sure if you're deliberatly trying not to understand me or if you legitimatly cannot wrap your mind around what I'm saying.

Look if you say people who see ghosts are just halluicinating, thats YOUR opinion, right?

Originally posted by Alfheim
Look the point is your opinion is subjective as well. I didnt say anything stupid......shheeeesshhh.

Originally posted by Alfheim
I dont think its thats simple but nevermind.

Originally posted by Alfheim
Look if you say people who see ghosts are just halluicinating, thats YOUR opinion, right?

And besides I never said they were hallucinating. Look, do you know what a Rorschach test is?

Originally posted by Creshosk
So then what you're incapable of understanding it the difference between fact and opinion...

No im not. I just have a different view of what reality is. That doesnt mean I think its as simple as "I think I can fly therefore I will."

Originally posted by Creshosk

Either they saw ghosts, or they saw something else and only preceived it to be ghosts.

I agree.

Originally posted by Creshosk

Look, do you know what a Rorschach test is?

Yes I know what a Rorschach test. You look at a piece of paper with an ink blotch or what not and different people see different things. What they believe affects what they see.

Originally posted by Creshosk

And besides I never said they were hallucinating.

Saying that they saw dust particles implies that they were hallucinating. At any rate I agree its possible that they saw something else. All im saying is to assume that there is no possibility of it being a ghost or a jinn is obnoxious.

Anyway you were saying that they were not hallucinating they just saw something they didnt understand...maybe.

Originally posted by Alfheim
No im not. I just have a different view of what reality is. That doesnt mean I think its as simple as "I think I can fly therefore I will."

Originally posted by Alfheim
Yes I know what a Rorschach test. You look at a piece of paper with an ink blotch or what not and different people see different things. What they believe affects what they see.

Originally posted by Alfheim
Saying that they saw dust particles implies that they were hallucinating.

Originally posted by Alfheim
At any rate I agree its possible that they saw something else. All im saying is to assume that there is no possibility of it being a ghost or a jinn is obnoxious.

So do Jinn only exist in the areas where people beleive in them? why do you suppose that would be?

Originally posted by Creshosk

And so you know how they're seeing things in the ink blotches. things that aren't really depicted but the mind allows itself to see?

I wont deny thats a possibility.

Originally posted by Creshosk

So do Jinn only exist in the areas where people beleive in them? why do you suppose that would be?

Well no they dont. There are examples of people seeing ghosts without believing in them.

Bro I dont have all the answers neither does science. I just dont think reality is as "solid" as people think it is.

srug

Originally posted by Alfheim
I wont deny thats a possibility.

Well no they dont. There are examples of people seeing ghosts without believing in them.

Bro I dont have all the answers neither does science. I just dont think reality is as "solid" as people think it is.

srug

Ghosts might obbjectively exist. But people refuse to acknowledge them due to their experiences with other skeptics.

We may never know. *shrugs*

Originally posted by Creshosk
Even our "evidence" and "proof" is merely our interpritation of reality which is also colored by our expereinces and genetic hardwiring.

Ghosts might obbjectively exist. But people refuse to acknowledge them due to their experiences with other skeptics.

We may never know. *shrugs*

I would agree with all of that.

Ha.

Thor owns.