God's Love Is Limitted and Conditional
Originally posted by JesusIsAlive
What you fail to understand is that God's love and mercy will only be extended in this life, not in the life to come.
Then his love and mercy are entirely limitted and conditional by your own admittance.
Originally posted by JesusIsAlive
You must repent of your sins now before you die because once you die it is too late to ask God for forgiveness of your sins.
God's forgiveness is limitted then by your own admittance.
This is not spam, or a personal attack on JIA.
this thread is valid, because JIA brought up a really good point....and he is not the only person who argues this.
Many Christian debators on KMC will claim that God's love is absolute, eternal, and infinite, yet will have much trouble explaining how and why there is a time limit to his forgiveness.
If any Christian can explain this, please do so.
Originally posted by Goddess Kali
Many Christian debators on KMC will claim that God's love is absolute, eternal, and infinite, yet will have much trouble explaining how and why there is a time limit to his forgiveness.If any Christian can explain this, please do so.
God's love is eternal because in Christianity death isn't really death. It is merely a step into the next stage of life.
In some belief systems even if one is sent to hell there is a point at which such punishment is sufficient and God recieves the person who had been cast out.
When I argue that God's love in absolute and unconditonal, my definition of this is both of time and space. God loves us so much here on earth - he gives us free will; he allows us to think; he has given us a brain with which to do these things. The very fact that we discuss "Do we have free will?" is a mark that God has given it to us.
God's love is also unconditional and absolute through time. Since I believe in Universalism (no one shall be sent to hell) I believe that God sent Jesus to die for everyone, and not just those that ask for it. Some people are incapabe of "asking for it" - the mentally challenged, for example. I don't think that God would condemn them just because they don't understand what "asking Jesus into their hearts" (evangelical terminology, not mine) means. That's actually what first started me thinking along the lines of Universalism - how many exceptions there would have to be to "Judgement."
At any rate. God's love does not stop with time, since Christians believe in an afterlife, and those who go to heaven continue to receive the glory of God's love. (And that's another vague phrase, isn't it? When I say that, I mean all the good things in life - which is to me, being able to think freely and critically, question, etc.)
I believe that God's love makes him understanding and, well, quite liberal. I believe that his love doesn't make him condemn people for their genetics-induced sexual orientation, for example. I don't think God would condemn you for something you can't help. That's not judgement -that's lunacy.
... and again I've managed to sound like a flower child. I hope I've managed to answer some of your questions, at least from my perspective, Goddess Kali.
Originally posted by siriuswriter
When I argue that God's love in absolute and unconditonal, my definition of this is both of time and space. God loves us so much here on earth - he gives us free will; he allows us to think; he has given us a brain with which to do these things. The very fact that we discuss "Do we have free will?" is a mark that God has given it to us.God's love is also unconditional and absolute through time. Since I believe in Universalism (no one shall be sent to hell) I believe that God sent Jesus to die for everyone, and not just those that ask for it. Some people are incapabe of "asking for it" - the mentally challenged, for example. I don't think that God would condemn them just because they don't understand what "asking Jesus into their hearts" (evangelical terminology, not mine) means. That's actually what first started me thinking along the lines of Universalism - how many exceptions there would have to be to "Judgement."
At any rate. God's love does not stop with time, since Christians believe in an afterlife, and those who go to heaven continue to receive the glory of God's love. (And that's another vague phrase, isn't it? When I say that, I mean all the good things in life - which is to me, being able to think freely and critically, question, etc.)
I believe that God's love makes him understanding and, well, quite liberal. I don't think God would condemn you for something you can't help. That's not judgement -that's lunacy.
Very well said, and I hope that it is true. 😉
Originally posted by siriuswriter
When I argue that God's love in absolute and unconditonal, my definition of this is both of time and space. God loves us so much here on earth - he gives us free will; he allows us to think; he has given us a brain with which to do these things. The very fact that we discuss "Do we have free will?" is a mark that God has given it to us.God's love is also unconditional and absolute through time. Since I believe in Universalism (no one shall be sent to hell) I believe that God sent Jesus to die for everyone, and not just those that ask for it. Some people are incapabe of "asking for it" - the mentally challenged, for example. I don't think that God would condemn them just because they don't understand what "asking Jesus into their hearts" (evangelical terminology, not mine) means. That's actually what first started me thinking along the lines of Universalism - how many exceptions there would have to be to "Judgement."
At any rate. God's love does not stop with time, since Christians believe in an afterlife, and those who go to heaven continue to receive the glory of God's love. (And that's another vague phrase, isn't it? When I say that, I mean all the good things in life - which is to me, being able to think freely and critically, question, etc.)
I believe that God's love makes him understanding and, well, quite liberal. I believe that his love doesn't make him condemn people for their genetics-induced sexual orientation, for example. I don't think God would condemn you for something you can't help. That's not judgement -that's lunacy.
... and again I've managed to sound like a flower child. I hope I've managed to answer some of your questions, at least from my perspective, Goddess Kali.
I like your answer very much 👆