Gog Wars Doomsday vs. De-powered Tyrant

Originally posted by batdude123
That he does, but his energies are used to create a big bang, which he then molds to his own liking.

Galactus isn't capable of creating universes.

I thought Imperiex just provides the BB, and everything else falls where it may?

Or Lucifer has a hand in it?

And until Galactus is shown to actually be the big bang at the end of the current universe and beginning of the next, it's only theorizing that isn't substantiated by the comics.

Characters say alot of things TP, but on panel evidence reigns supreme.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Imperiex

i think he's at the very least equal to galactus.

Originally posted by TricksterPriest
Wait wait. I thought Galactus's final task was always to provide the source of the next big bang, the creation of the universe.

"Of all the creatures in the vastness of the Universe, there is none like me. I was present at the birth of the Universe, and I shall be there at it's end.
"Though I ravage worlds to live, I bear no malice toward any living thing. I simply do what I must to survive.
"And why must Galactus survive?
"For, no matter how many worlds I devour ... How many civilizations I destroy ... It is my destiny to one day give back to the Universe –
"– Infinitely more than I have ever taken from it.
"So speaks Galactus!"

Isn't that basically making a universe? 😕

Imperiex has the energy of a Big Bang in him.

Can he actually just destroy a universe on a whim?

Originally posted by Nikkolas
Imperiex has the energy of a Big Bang in him.

Can he actually just destroy a universe on a whim?

Originally posted by TricksterPriest
Wait wait. I thought Galactus's final task was always to provide the source of the next big bang, the creation of the universe.

"Of all the creatures in the vastness of the Universe, there is none like me. I was present at the birth of the Universe, and I shall be there at it's end.
"Though I ravage worlds to live, I bear no malice toward any living thing. I simply do what I must to survive.
"And why must Galactus survive?
"For, no matter how many worlds I devour ... How many civilizations I destroy ... It is my destiny to one day give back to the Universe –
"– Infinitely more than I have ever taken from it.
"So speaks Galactus!"

Isn't that basically making a universe? 😕

How is that anything like creating a universe?

Originally posted by UniOmni
I thought Imperiex just provides the BB, and everything else falls where it may?

Or Lucifer has a hand in it?

And until Galactus is shown to actually be the big bang at the end of the current universe and beginning of the next, it's only theorizing that isn't substantiated by the comics.

Characters say alot of things TP, but on panel evidence reigns supreme.

Well, yes, his energies do provide the BB to spark another universe. However, and this was stated many times during OWAW, Imperiex then also takes the newly created universe and "molds it to his likings" so to speak.

The reason we know this isn't hyperbolic shit is because he's obviously done so before all across the multiverse, as a part the nature of existence.

Originally posted by batdude123
Well, yes, his energies do provide the BB to spark another universe. However, and this was stated many times during OWAW, Imperiex then also takes the newly created universe and "molds it to his likings" so to speak.

The reason we know this isn't hyperbolic shit is because he's obviously done so before all across the multiverse, as a part the nature of existence.

exactly.

Originally posted by TricksterPriest
Wait wait. I thought Galactus's final task was always to provide the source of the next big bang, the creation of the universe.

"Of all the creatures in the vastness of the Universe, there is none like me. I was present at the birth of the Universe, and I shall be there at it's end.
"Though I ravage worlds to live, I bear no malice toward any living thing. I simply do what I must to survive.
"And why must Galactus survive?
"For, no matter how many worlds I devour ... How many civilizations I destroy ... It is my destiny to one day give back to the Universe –
"– Infinitely more than I have ever taken from it.
"So speaks Galactus!"

Isn't that basically making a universe? 😕

if it is, than it takes him a very long time. it doesn't take impiriex that long, as stated in OWAW.

doesn't this make sense? impiriex > galactus > DP tyrant.

tyrant can't can't make a blast that can surpass the one that imperiex used.

IMO the type of energy is definetly the problem
lets say his durability is level 4 against all damage(natural durability)

Fire(heat) kills doomsday at power level 8-you would then need level 9 heat(fire to hurt him(kill)
Ice (cold) can kill him at level 6-if he is not durable enough,

See what i mean?

Originally posted by starlock
IMO the type of energy is definetly the problem
lets say his durability is level 4 against all damage(natural durability)

Fire(heat) kills doomsday at power level 8-you would then need level 9 heat(fire to hurt him(kill)
Ice (cold) can kill him at level 6-if he is not durable enough,

See what i mean?

with cold, you can only go so cold. u can't like give an energy blast that's 5000000 below zero. it's not possible, even in a comic.

with heat i get u. i'm sure there was a lot of heat when he got fried to a skeleton, but i just don't see tyrant matching or trumping that level of power.

Originally posted by TheGame17
with cold, you can only go so cold. u can't like give an energy blast that's 5000000 below zero. it's not possible, even in a comic.

with heat i get u. i'm sure there was a lot of heat when he got fried to a skeleton, but i just don't see tyrant matching or trumping that level of power.

Heat or cold,elctricity etc,i was just trying to point out that just because imperiex took DD down does not mean a lesser level of power wont do the same- if its a different type of energy- it is interesting though DD is a monster if written properly

Originally posted by starlock
Heat or cold,elctricity etc,i was just trying to point out that just because imperiex took DD down does not mean a lesser level of power wont do the same- if its a different type of energy- it is interesting though DD is a monster if written properly

really? i thought you had to surpass the level of power in which he was destroyed.

so are you saying that doomsday can be killed again by being beaten to death if the guy is using different techniques then when superman did it?

Originally posted by TheGame17
really? i thought you had to surpass the level of power in which he was destroyed.

so are you saying that doomsday can be killed again by being beaten to death if the guy is using different techniques then when superman did it?

If what you are saying was correct, then Doomsday would be immune to physical blunt attacks after getting killed the first time. After being resurrected - he wasn't. That pretty much kills your theory.

He can adapt to a particular power source, but Imperiex doesn't use the same power source that Tyrant uses, so that argument is moot.

Originally posted by Kutulu
If what you are saying was correct, then Doomsday would be immune to physical blunt attacks after getting killed the first time. After being resurrected - he wasn't. That pretty much kills your theory.

He can adapt to a particular power source, but Imperiex doesn't use the same power source that Tyrant uses, so that argument is moot.

he can be killed by blunt attacks, they just haft to be more powerful than the one superman used on him. that doesn't ruin my theory.

Originally posted by UniOmni
I thought Imperiex just provides the BB, and everything else falls where it may?

Or Lucifer has a hand in it?

And until Galactus is shown to actually be the big bang at the end of the current universe and beginning of the next, it's only theorizing that isn't substantiated by the comics.

Characters say alot of things TP, but on panel evidence reigns supreme.

Originally posted by Jebus reborn
In one story, Galactus's energies leaked out, and he supplied the big bang to make the next universe, and Nova turned into the next Galactus.
It was The Last Galactus story, and I'm pretty sure it was supposed to be the end of 616 (since they can hardly do this, considering that would end Marvel).

what issue was that? sounds impressive, but impiriex may be a little more powerful becuz of his drive to conquer unlike galactus.

Originally posted by TheGame17
what issue was that? sounds impressive, but impiriex may be a little more powerful becuz of his drive to conquer unlike galactus.

That Watcher destroyed half the universe (re-arranged stars like puzzle pieces), and then Galactus fought him to the end of the universe, and then beat him.

why is this debate still going on. There is no way that doomsday could win this battle. Dont matter what version unless you think that doomsday could beat, silver surfer, jack of harts, beta ray bill, gladiator, and morg at the same time.

Tyrant without breaking a sweat 10/10