Originally posted by batdude123👆
🤨Yeah, I never said he couldn't fly during Byrne's arc. I was more than likely referring to his 1938 appearance.
Hell, Byrne's Superman was still doing extremely impressive stuff. Surviving being thrown into a red sun TWICE, lifting a mountain that was said to be able to crush Metropolis, smashing an asteroid that could have destroyed Earth, flying between galaxies, etc.
He wasn't exactly a pussy back then.
There ya go.
Originally posted by batdude123
🤨Yeah, I never said he couldn't fly during Byrne's arc. I was more than likely referring to his 1938 appearance.
Hell, Byrne's Superman was still doing extremely impressive stuff. Surviving being thrown into a red sun TWICE, lifting a mountain that was said to be able to crush Metropolis, smashing an asteroid that could have destroyed Earth, flying between galaxies, etc.
He wasn't exactly a pussy back then.
Originally posted by Juntai
There should be something, though its been a long time since I read the issues.Also, why did you start with that issue, rather than the first issues listed?
I'll try to think of other arcs he did still like that.
Originally posted by darthgoober
I didn't say that you said he couldn't fly, I said you said he couldn't hit lightspeed. Remember? I pointed out that Supes and DD should have reached Metropolis in about a second if DD was really as fast as Supes and they were moving lightspeed. Then you said that it was pretty much Byrne's Supes and he was way powered down back then. Then I said something to the effect of "But wasn't he still capable of hitting lightspeed?", and you said no.
Originally posted by darthgoober
and batdude told me in a discussion we were having that Supes was incapable of flight back then(I was under the impression that Supes WAS capable of it at the time)
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Originally posted by Juntai
During his exile he was flying around the universe, so I assume we can put faster than light speeds in there. Unless of course, you want to believe he was flying between galaxies at the speed of sound. In which case, he would still be on the way to warworld even now.
Originally posted by darthgoober
Oh shit bats, my bad. I must have meant to say something like lightspeed flight or something and spaced off. Alright....everyone scratch my statement about what bats said.
However, other than a few ambiguous showings of Superman flying around in space, there's really no references to him being able to hit light speed.
Then again, there is the showing where he stated he could see lightning bolts in slow motion, and used his speed to intercept one.
Originally posted by batdude123👆 Yah a lot of it was ambiguous.
However, other than a few ambiguous showings of Superman flying around in space, there's really no references to him being able to hit light speed.Then again, there is the showing where he stated he could see lightning bolts in slow motion, and used his speed to intercept one.
Originally posted by batdude123
I might get some flack about this, but I haven't really seen Diana do anything more impressive than what Byrne's Superman did.I'll say the "weak Superman" 6-7/10.
Originally posted by darthgooberDepends. In some instances, they're peers, in others, he's far beyond her.[Although that's pretty much the same for anyone in his 'top tier' class. He just leagues up beyond them, by a longshot]
But hasn't she withstood CURRENT Supes punches fairly well? How is Byrne's Supes going to put her down if current Supes has a hard time doing it?
If you're counting Sacrifice, yeah, she has, but she blacked out after his first punch, only to wake up from the heat of re-entry into Earths atmosphere. Then they wen't blow for blow for a bit.. Lets say he didn't hit her towards Earth, she would have just been drifting through space unconscious. A KO is a win anyways on the forum.
However, this isn't the most realistic portrayal of the two given some of their other showings...
Superman in his right mind is a monster. Unlike the mind controlled version just discussed.
Take for example, the Superman/Batman: Supergirl arc. In the arc, Wonder Woman and Barda get taken down by henchmen who Darkseid could slap down with wide-arc pimp hand, while Superman downs the big man himself. Which is after he was wearing kryptonite.
Originally posted by darthgoober
But hasn't she withstood CURRENT Supes punches fairly well? How is Byrne's Supes going to put her down if current Supes has a hard time doing it?
Other than in the Sacrifice arc, she's been pwned without much trouble at all. Even then, she needed to carry the kryptonite ring with her. Also, it was mentioned in the Strange Attractors arc that she knew he was probably going to kill her if she didn't kill Max Lord to snap him out of it. Yes, it was a pretty good showing for her, but it's one amongst many.
When they faced off in the Fortress of Solitude, he was pimpsmacking her around like nothing.
She's openly admitted she cannot beat Superman in a straight up confrontation.
Originally posted by batdude123👆
Other than in the Sacrifice arc, she's been pwned without much trouble at all. Even then, she needed to carry the kryptonite ring with her. Also, it was mentioned in the Strange Attractors arc that she knew he was probably going to kill her if she didn't kill Max Lord to snap him out of it. Yes, it was a pretty good showing for her, but it's one amongst many.When they faced off in the Fortress of Solitude, he was pimpsmacking her around like nothing.
She's openly admitted she cannot beat Superman in a straight up confrontation.
Originally posted by Juntai
Depends. In some instances, they're peers, in others, he's far beyond her.[Although that's pretty much the same for anyone in his 'top tier' class. He just leagues up beyond them, by a longshot]If you're counting Sacrifice, yeah, she has, but she blacked out after his first punch, only to wake up from the heat of re-entry into Earths atmosphere. Then they wen't blow for blow for a bit.. Lets say he didn't hit her towards Earth, she would have just been drifting through space unconscious. A KO is a win anyways on the forum.
However, this isn't the most realistic portrayal of the two given some of their other showings...
Superman in his right mind is a monster. Unlike the mind controlled version just discussed.Take for example, the Superman/Batman: Supergirl arc. In the arc, Wonder Woman and Barda get taken down by henchmen who Darkseid could slap down with wide-arc pimp hand, while Superman downs the big man himself. Which is after he was wearing kryptonite.
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And don't forget the instance in Superman/Batman when he straight up snapped her neck in two. 😂
Originally posted by Juntai
Depends. In some instances, they're peers, in others, he's far beyond her.[Although that's pretty much the same for anyone in his 'top tier' class. He just leagues up beyond them, by a longshot]If you're counting Sacrifice, yeah, she has, but she blacked out after his first punch, only to wake up from the heat of re-entry into Earths atmosphere. Then they wen't blow for blow for a bit.. Lets say he didn't hit her towards Earth, she would have just been drifting through space unconscious. A KO is a win anyways on the forum.
However, this isn't the most realistic portrayal of the two given some of their other showings...
Superman in his right mind is a monster. Unlike the mind controlled version just discussed.Take for example, the Superman/Batman: Supergirl arc. In the arc, Wonder Woman and Barda get taken down by henchmen who Darkseid could slap down with wide-arc pimp hand, while Superman downs the big man himself. Which is after he was wearing kryptonite.