On the Issue of the Ancient Sith, Revan, Exar Kun and Nihilus.

This topic has obviously been discussed a lot.

I'm here to offer my logical thoughts and to provide an adequate solution.

The Ancient Sith were said to be godlike, immensely powerful and so forth, due to a lack of feats and sources, we can only gauge and estimate at their power. This generally means our thoughts are subjective, our views varying and causes a never ending argument.

Characters such as Luke, DE Sidious, Yoda and etc have been given definitive feats, adequate information and so forth, essentially they have MUCH more sources/feats to name. This inherently means you can use them to prove that they are powerful in their respective times.

However when comparing a relative "unknown" and a character with a lot of sources, how do you work out a victor? Realistically you can't.

Whilst you can prove that Luke and DE Sidious can do this and do that, you cannot prove that the Ancient Sith can't, neither can anyone prove they can, the end result is that its purely opinion and subjective.

Exar Kun/Revan/Bane/Nihilus and etc. are relative to the Ancient Sith due to the fact a majority of their knowledge comes from the remnant knowledge of the Ancients, thus its is also rather hard to gauge at their power, given that they have a few more sources on them and other feats to name, it is still relatively hard to compare them to a character with books/comics/movies on them such as Sidious.

Again opinions are subjective, therefore unless something knew comes out that allows us to gauge at the Ancient Sith's power they will be relative unknowns. All that we know is that their remnant knowledge was enough to make Exar Kun immensely powerful, amplify Bane's power which essentially means their remnant knowledge was enough to make someone a Dark Lord of the Sith.

As such arguments concerning the Ancient Sith are best left alone.

It's that very lack of knowledge people like. Keeps them mysterious in a sense, compared to everyone else who has been extrapolated on with great precision.

That is certainly true, which is why i believe them to be the most powerful of the most powerful...

We have examples of their techniques, but only in remants and they were devestating in their own right.

I personally prefer to believe that Ragnos was the most powerful of any Sith, not Palpatine. But, canon overrules my preference, one reason why a new book or comic expanding on Ragnos and Sadow etc. would be appreciated. Though it would only serve to overpower characters even more.

Yes, I also prefer Ragnos to be the most powerful. But I've come to terms with the fact that Sidious did so much, created his own techniques, had dark energies ravage his body. He's the perfect sith. Ragnos is #2.

Originally posted by Darth Sexy
Yes, I also prefer Ragnos to be the most powerful. But I've come to terms with the fact that Sidious did so much, created his own techniques, had dark energies ravage his body. He's the perfect sith. Ragnos is #2.

Saying he is number two isn't logical. Just scroll up.

Anyway, we have set-in-stone canon facts about Sidious and Yoda, but that's about it. The rest is all up to debate.

I thought Darth Nihilus was the most powerful Sith due to his crazy drain ability.

Originally posted by ThoraxeRMG
I thought Darth Nihilus was the most powerful Sith due to his crazy drain ability.

No then that would make the Exile the best because he defeated Nihilus.

Originally posted by ESB -1138
No then that would make the Exile the best because he defeated Nihilus.

I quote "BEST SITH".
And The Jedi Exile is female.

Originally posted by ThoraxeRMG
I quote [b]"BEST SITH".
And The Jedi Exile is female. [/B]

And yet people keep calling Revan a Sith even though KoToR's ending has him as a Jedi.

Originally posted by ESB -1138
And yet people keep calling Revan a Sith even though KoToR's ending has him as a Jedi.

Self-"Redemption" and rejection of Sith identity and Dark side much.

So what does that have to do with people calling Revan a Sith even though KoToR's ending has him as a Jedi? And besides Traya has that one hit kill thingie.

Yea, i always wondered that myself, why people call him a Sith Lord, when he is a Jedi at the end.
And maybe Ragnos is number 2, but we have no evidence to back this up and therefore, i wouldn't put him on any list, of, who is the strongest, best dualist.....

In KOTOR 1 or 2, the most powerful Sith is named. I cannot remember who it was that was named. I do not think it was Ragnos. Although, for the longest time, I thought it was Ragnos until I played KOTOR. Still I cannot remember which KOTOR it was that the most powerfrul Sith is pointed out. Also, it is possible that another Sith is the most powerful and we do not know it yet because it was never stated directly in the EU.

Originally posted by Tangible God
I personally prefer to believe that Ragnos was the most powerful of any Sith, not Palpatine. But, canon overrules my preference, one reason why a new book or comic expanding on Ragnos and Sadow etc. would be appreciated. Though it would only serve to overpower characters even more.

Ironic. I find it hard to believe that the greatest Sith Lord wouldn't be anything else but the most powerful, and the disparity of accomplishments between Ragnos and Palpatine is massive. One conquered the galaxy, toppled the Jedi, destroyed the Republic, and established the most powerful military regime in galactic history, and the other one... well... wished that he could do all that. But that's just me.

I don't understand Ancient Sith fanboys. Nothing to be a fanboy of.

Originally posted by Gideon

I don't understand Ancient Sith fanboys. Nothing to be a fanboy of.

Maybe they like how that Ancient Siht talk or fight.

Right. I should be more specific: Ragnos. It's kind've like being a Revan fanboy. No substance.

What's wrong with being a Revan fan?

Originally posted by Gideon
Ironic. I find it hard to believe that the greatest Sith Lord wouldn't be anything else but the most powerful, and the disparity of accomplishments between Ragnos and Palpatine is massive. One conquered the galaxy, toppled the Jedi, destroyed the Republic, and established the most powerful military regime in galactic history, and the other one... well... wished that he could do all that. But that's just me.

I don't understand Ancient Sith fanboys. Nothing to be a fanboy of.

Originally posted by Tangible God
I have a preference for the mysterious. The things we know so little about, they're lost to history yet when it was around it was titanic. I hate thinking that the big bad Sith in their origins of the Ancient Empire are weaker than the ones we know everything about. Simply that sense of intrigue is what I appreciate.

I completely agree.