Originally posted by ThePittman😆
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I think if you are just talking Asgard like Odin's realm then yes the First could win. The two biggest threats being Odin and Thor.
Odin could most take on numerous First. On the other hand individual First is probably close to Silver Surfer Level or Herald level.
So it kind of evens out. I'd say Asgard simply because Odin is too powerful. If it was all of Asgard like Surtur and Ymir and Hela all joined forces then it would be a curbstomp.
Originally posted by ThePittmanI don't remember too much from crossgen but I don't ever remember seeing Altwaal fight. Even still there hasn't been any direct feats from or from the others that say he isn't above the Silver Surfer.
I think that Altwaal could go toe to toe with Odin and Trenin for Herc and Pyrem for Thor. I don't think that Altwaal could take Odin without his weapons though.
Pyrem can probably contain Thor but then again I think Odin pretty much messes up any 5-10 of the First by himself.
And like I said if it was all of Asgrad including the giants and demons it would be a curbstomp.
But his is out it plays out in my head.
Asgardian<<<<<<First</=Thor<Altwaal<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<Odin
Originally posted by ThePittmanThat the point just because he was the strongest of the first doesn't mean he would actually be able to beat Odin.
They never really showed Altwaal feats but he has been said to be the strongest of The First. With his weapons though I think that he could go and maybe beat Odin, at least the ones that we know about.
I've forgotten about his weapons what can they do again?
Originally posted by Newjakhe seven weapons are:
That the point just because he was the strongest of the first doesn't mean he would actually be able to beat Odin.I've forgotten about his weapons what can they do again?
* The Circlet - (worn around the neck) protects against energy attacks. Held by Lindy Karsten then Solusandra.
* The Staff - powers unknown. Location unknown.
* The Gauntlet - magnification of power. Held by Pyrem then Lindy Karsten
* The Shield - powers unknown, used by Pyrem when he goes to rescue Ingra.
* The Bow and Arrow - used by Ayden to end the war of the Five Lands by killing Mordath. The arrow was split into five pieces by Ayden. Held by Ayden then given to Arywn by Neven. The arrow is lost and Arywn searches for it.
* The Sword - a very powerful weapon capable of killing The First in one blow. It appears in the last issue of The First. Altwaal uses it to kill Seahn and Persha.
* The Rod - Referred to in The Path as the Weapon of Heaven, is a powerful rod capable of destroying entire armies and the First. Tested against Todosi to determine the powers of the Sigil-bearers then held by Obo-san who uses it reluctantly stating that he only wishes to use it against the false gods that killed is brother. The Rod was also used to create the rift between the houses on Elysia.
Originally posted by ThePittmanOh I remember some of those now but I still don't think they put Altwaal any where close to Odin seeing as Odin can do all of that without them and Odin has some of his own weapons as well.
he seven weapons are:* The Circlet - (worn around the neck) protects against energy attacks. Held by Lindy Karsten then Solusandra.
* The Staff - powers unknown. Location unknown.
* The Gauntlet - magnification of power. Held by Pyrem then Lindy Karsten
* The Shield - powers unknown, used by Pyrem when he goes to rescue Ingra.
* The Bow and Arrow - used by Ayden to end the war of the Five Lands by killing Mordath. The arrow was split into five pieces by Ayden. Held by Ayden then given to Arywn by Neven. The arrow is lost and Arywn searches for it.
* The Sword - a very powerful weapon capable of killing The First in one blow. It appears in the last issue of The First. Altwaal uses it to kill Seahn and Persha.
* The Rod - Referred to in The Path as the Weapon of Heaven, is a powerful rod capable of destroying entire armies and the First. Tested against Todosi to determine the powers of the Sigil-bearers then held by Obo-san who uses it reluctantly stating that he only wishes to use it against the false gods that killed is brother. The Rod was also used to create the rift between the houses on Elysia.
Originally posted by ThePittmanI know what you mean I thought the whole series was awesome and it did such a good job of intertwining all of the realities I think much better than either Marvel or DC has done.
I wish the continued the series 🙁 the War was looking so good 🙂
I also thought the Route 666 series looked very promising 🙁
Originally posted by ThePittmanCharon would destroy Superman. I think Charon was a legit Skyfather level being. Maybe not as strong as Odin but he was darn close to it.
I really wanted to see what Charon could do, I would love to put him and Superman in a duel. pitt_shifty
Personally I just really wanted to see the First finally get down and dirty. Most of the feats we saw of them involved each other or the weaker second generation versions. We never really got to see the First cut loose.
Odin in Asgard in unbeatable, Odin is like God in Asgard and can absorb all the life force of Asgard and the nine worlds, and can unleashed The Destroyer who can kill sky fathers. The First are like hearlder level, they are f**ked he beat SS with a gesture, Odin goes all out causes shock waves through out the multi-verse. Odin wins regardless especially in Asgard.