the clones wars

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Originally posted by Alliance
that makes no sense. SW would have been a cult film without FOX...and it would ahve sold about 300 copies, and no one would think it was great beacuse they weren't TOLD it was a classic.

SW would never have been finsihed without Fox. The shot footage would have been canned and lost forever. Lucas paid everything when it comes to ILM and kept the production afloat until Fox finallys tarted paying. Then they could finish the effects, edit and mix the film... and distribute... just as important.

Yes, so the film was not Lucas' independant work. FOX floated it.

Doesn't matter, just be thankful, that they made it.

Nah. I don't like Lucas getting undeserved credit.

But he does deserve credit for what he did.

i never commented on that.

That is true, I mis-read it.

Originally posted by Alliance
Nah. I don't like Lucas getting undeserved credit.

Look, he paid for almost everything, especially the effects for almost two years. He had no income other than from American Graffiti. He fought his way through it all for two years, trying to get Fox to pay up. Which they didn't for a long time. If anyone is repsonsible for the success of SW it is Lucas, and Lucas alone.

Except that if FOX hadn't saved teh work, not even Lucas would have seen it.

So no matter what Lucas did to it before hand, if Fox hadn't have paid, then there might not have even been a Star Wars, or at least not a very good one.

But without LUcas there vever would have been a SW, it's to his own credit that it was made. Fox commited but wiated with the paperwork for a long long time.
And true, if they hadn't paid it would have been lost forever, but just a bag of money is not enough to make a classic.

You're the one who is cutting FOX out of the loop entirely.

I'm simply saying that both FOX and Lucas had roles and that its ignorant to view ANH as a "one man film."

In the end Fox didn't do much to help Lucas make his film apart from giving him money and fairly late. It's to Fox's Alan Ladd's credit that he believed in Lucas' idea, I'll give Fox that. But they weren't very supportive to Lucas and yet he gave them the biggest box office hit EVER! And that, fair is fair, is thanks to Lucas.

They didn't do much? They gave money and if Lucas didn't have that money, you could say goodbye to the classic.

Lemme rephrase: they did less of an effort than most pictures they financed. I mean, the guy's in pre-production and production for two years before they start paying up and signing contracts.... liek about 6 months prior to release.... Yes, they paid, without Fox it would never have been finished... but filmmaking is more than just handing out money. When it comes down to the other thing besides money it was all Lucas.

But couldn't he have done without Ewoks and Jar Jar and Mark Hamill and kid Anakin, it would have been perfect then.

Hamill did a good job, the others you refer to are irrelevant in this case.

Honestly I have to agree with Queeq there. Of course Fox gave Lucas the money but that was that basically. I think it was more or less Lucas' drive to make the movie a reality more than it was fox giving him the money.

It was... he conceived and produced most of the film. He had a good sidekick in Kurtz, but Lucas was the power and the vision behind it all.