Dr Wily vs Dr Robotnik

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Originally posted by ESB -1138
Metal Sonic would transform into Metal Overlord who has the power of Chaos Control. Not to mention the E-100 series, E-1000 series, and the rest of the E-series as well as an entire fleet of battle cruisers and the Death Egg and a weapon that has shown to destroy stars (Sonic Battle) as well as G-mel (Sonic Advance 3) and Emerl (Sonic Battle) who copy their opponent's fighting style, abilities, speed, and everything else and not just a single weapon.

And Robotnik has built a ton of devices, badniks, mechs, and anything else that can effect time.

And Kazenji needs to specify what the match is and what each doctor has because otherwise this match would just have no clear cut winner because of the vast amounts in each doctor's armies. Is this a one on one? Is this using a certain machine? Using a certain robot? Kazenji needs to lay down some ground rules here.

Wilys robots control
TIME
Magnetism
Electricity
Gravity
Weather
Space
Fire
Water
ICE
some are living bombs
Air
Stars
Some are fighters (Slash man, Knight man, ShadowMan)

Not to mension his legions of robots that protect each area. He also has machines that copy the abilities, shape, and size of any robots. He even has machines that remove the robots will and places it under his command.

I still don't see Eggman winning, but this would probably be an idefinite match because of resources

ESB -1138 Sonic Speed
Originally posted by Big Sexy
Wilys robots control
TIME
Magnetism
Electricity
Gravity
Weather
Space
Fire
Water
ICE
some are living bombs
Air
Stars
Some are fighters (Slash man, Knight man, ShadowMan)

Congrats; so does Robotnik. Like I said before a clear cut winner cannot be decided until we know what Wily and Robotnik have to use.

Creshosk Senior Member

Originally posted by Fire Ninja
Isn't the chaos power orginate from th emeralds or the power of the emeralds?
The emeralds contain the power of chaos, but as we saw from Sonic adventure 1 they can be depleted of that energy when its obsorbed into a "controller".

The emeralds are merely one link to the power of chaos, chaos itslef does not rely on the emralds.

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Originally posted by ESB -1138
Congrats; so does Robotnik.

No, he doesn't, maybe emeril is the exception. But, when it comes to robotics. . . Wily>Eggman.

ESB -1138 Sonic Speed
Originally posted by Fire Ninja
No, he doesn't, maybe emeril is the exception. But, when it comes to robotics. . . Wily>Eggman.

...yeah he does.

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Cool, name one mech that egg man has that can effect time without using the emeralds power.

Creshosk Senior Member

Originally posted by Fire Ninja
Cool, name one mech that egg man has that can effect time without using the emeralds power.
You don't seem to understand or are being stubborn. An emerald is like a battery. Chaos power is like the electrical energy stored in the battery.

You do not need the battery to have electricity. it is merely a device for storing the electricity. If you can harness lighting directly the battery is not needed in the slightest.

Now, stop making it sound as is the non-emerald feats used "the emerald's power" when they used Chaos energy.

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Originally posted by Creshosk
You don't seem to understand or are being stubborn. An emerald is like a battery. Chaos power is like the electrical energy stored in the battery.

I'm not being stubborn, rather I have no understanding of what you guys mean. If Chaos energy is seperate from the emeralds, why is there no instance of it being used without the emeralds or even any showings of it?

Originally posted by Creshosk

You do not need the battery to have electricity. it is merely a device for storing the electricity. If you can harness lighting directly the battery is not needed in the slightest.

Now, stop making it sound as is the non-emerald feats used "the emerald's power" when they used Chaos energy.

Isn't Chaos energy from the emeralds in the first place. A battery isn't the only place to find electricity nor does electricity originate from a battery. Chaos energy seems to only exist from the emearlds.

Creshosk Senior Member
Originally posted by Fire Ninja
I'm not being stubborn, rather I have no understanding of what you guys mean. If Chaos energy is seperate from the emeralds, why is there no instance of it being used without the emeralds or even any showings of it?
Originally posted by ESB -1138
And yet Metal Sonic never had a direct contact or even seen a Chaos Emerald and was able to use Chaos Control because he copied Sonic's and Shadow's data. And this fight cannot be determined until we know what Robotnik and Wily has.
Originally posted by Fire Ninja
Isn't Chaos energy from the emeralds in the first place. A battery isn't the only place to find electricity nor does electricity originate from a battery. Chaos energy seems to only exist from the emearlds.

Originally posted by ESB -1138
And yet Metal Sonic never had a direct contact or even seen a Chaos Emerald and was able to use Chaos Control because he copied Sonic's and Shadow's data. And this fight cannot be determined until we know what Robotnik and Wily has.

And as I said the power can be drained from the emeralds as we saw in Sonic Adventure 1 when Chaos drianed the emeralds of all the negative side of the energy, leaving sonic to absorb the positive.

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How does that contradict what I said, weren't you just claiming that the emeralds are not the only source for chaos energy. Which is why you used the battery analogy. What exactly are you getting at?

ESB -1138 Sonic Speed

Still waiting to find out what each doctor has. Seems kind of stupid to make it a Robotnik vs Wily thread when all we are basically doing is debating over Metal Sonic, Shadow Androids, X, Zero, and everyone but the doctors.

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X has nothing to do with Wily. 😬

Creshosk Senior Member

Originally posted by Fire Ninja
How does that contradict what I said, weren't you just claiming that the emeralds are not the only source for chaos energy. Which is why you used the battery analogy. What exactly are you getting at?
If the power came from the emeralds Metal sonic would have had to have seen or touched one. Being able to channel the chaos power without a chaos emerald shows there is no dependency on the Emeralds for the power.

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Except that he's depending on the emeralds for power. He just doesn't have to touch it to gain it's power. 😬

Creshosk Senior Member

Originally posted by Fire Ninja
Except that he's depending on the emeralds for power. He just doesn't have to touch it to gain it's power. 😬
That's like saying that a person who can channel lightning is depending on a bettery that he doesn't have to touch to gain its power.

It's nonsensical and is placing a connection that doesn't exist.

If the emeralds are not required to be touched, or even ever seen then clearly they are a non-factor. He's NOT using the emeralds as much as you want him to be doing so.

If you can channel lightning, you do not need the object which stores a similar power to that lightning.

It's like Pyro and the human torch. Pyro might be dependant upon the flame thrower to harness the power of fire, but the human torch doesn't need a flamethrower as he can generate flame without it.

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Originally posted by Creshosk
That's like saying that a person who can channel lightning is depending on a bettery that he doesn't have to touch to gain its power. If you can channel lightning, you do not need the object which stores a similar power to that lightning.

That analogy makes no sense, because. A battery is not the only place that electricity dwells in. I've asked you already to show me something indicating Chaos energy that robot sonic absrobs comes from a source besides the emralds. . .still waiting.

Originally posted by Creshosk

It's nonsensical and is placing a connection that doesn't exist.

It was stated in this thread that he uses chaos power, but if he's not getting Chaos energy from the emeralds. . .Then where's is he getting them from? I've been asking that question for a while now, am I gonna get the answer some time soon?

Originally posted by Creshosk

If the emeralds are not required to be touched, or even ever seen then clearly they are a non-factor. He's NOT using the emeralds as much as you want him to be doing so.

Don't really care if he's using the emeralds or not. I wanna know where he's getting the energy from.

Originally posted by Creshosk

It's like Pyro and the human torch. Pyro might be dependant upon the flame thrower to harness the power of fire, but the human torch doesn't need a flamethrower as he can generate flame without it.

So, which one is metal sonic? 😬

Creshosk Senior Member

Originally posted by Fire Ninja
That analogy makes no sense, because. A battery is not the only place that electricity dwells in.
Exactly. The emeralds are not the only place Chaos energy dwells. Despite how much you wish it was otherwise.
Originally posted by Fire Ninja
I've asked you already to show me something indicating Chaos energy that robot sonic absrobs comes from a source besides the emralds. . .still waiting.
Actually buddy its up to you to prove that he was using the emralds since you can't prove a negative. And this is what I was talking about with you being stubborn.

"Metal Sonic never had a direct contact or even seen a Chaos Emerald and was able to use Chaos Control."

He used chaos energy (Chaos Control) without using the emeralds (never saw or touched one)

So where's your proof of dependency upon the emeralds?

Originally posted by Fire Ninja
It was stated in this thread that he uses chaos power, but if he's not getting Chaos energy from the emeralds. . .Then where's is he getting them from?
Not the emeralds and that was the point. You were saying that he was dependant upon the emeralds without any proof. We don't have to prove how he tapped into the chaos energy. If you're going to say he's dependant upon the Emerald's power its up to you to prove the connection exists.

Originally posted by Fire Ninja
I've been asking that question for a while now, am I gonna get the answer some time soon?
You've been getting the answer to the question just because you don't like it doesn't mean that it hasn't been given. Now ,please where's your poroof that it HAD to be the emeralds?

Originally posted by Fire Ninja
Don't really care if he's using the emeralds or not. I wanna know where he's getting the energy from.
Don't know, don't care, all that matters is he is. Cause you can't deny what happens just because there isn't a full explination. It wasn't the emeralds, therefore he doesn't need the emeralds to do what he does in this match, just as he doesn't need them in the games.

Originally posted by Fire Ninja
So, which one is metal sonic? 😬
The human torch.

Flamethrower = emeralds

Torch doesn't need a flame thrower for his fire.
Metal sonic doesn't need emeralds for his chaos power.

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Originally posted by Creshosk

The emeralds are merely one link to the power of chaos, chaos itslef does not rely on the emralds.

I didn't see this response, So, he gets it from somewhere else. See, I thought that Chaos emeralds were the only way to use Chaos power.

Creshosk Senior Member

Originally posted by Fire Ninja
I didn't see this response, So, he gets it from somewhere else. See, I thought that Chaos emeralds were the only way to use Chaos power.
Which is clearly not the case since Metal sonic for one can use chaos control without ever having even seen an emerald.