Originally posted by 753
Nightcrawler is limited to teleporting to areas he can see, because otherwise he might end up inside something, merged with it and dead. He can teleport the hulk straight into the ground. His body will become a mess with the earth and that'll be it. Shadowcat should have done this all the way to the WWH.Other viable tactics are teleporting body parts off. he doesnt need the swords, it's his mentality that holds him back
yes.
It would take a lot of power to separate Hulk into pieces. Why is teleporting -- which is certainly fast -- being granted so much power? I could see if NC was himself top-tier in strength; one could argue he can put that level of energy into his teleporting. But he's nowhere near Hulk's strength.
Teleporting an adamantium sword into Hulk's brain seems like a best bet...though I'm not convinced it would be that simple/easy. IIRC, Hulk regenerated from a near-skeleton in what? seconds? Minutes, tops. If the sword takes Hulk down, you'd probably have to keep it there.
Originally posted by Mindship
It would take a lot of power to separate Hulk into pieces. Why is teleporting -- which is certainly fast -- being granted so much power? I could see if NC was himself top-tier in strength; one could argue he can put that level of energy into his teleporting. But he's nowhere near Hulk's strength.Teleporting an adamantium sword into Hulk's brain seems like a best bet...though I'm not convinced it would be that simple/easy. IIRC, Hulk regenerated from a near-skeleton in what? seconds? Minutes, tops. If the sword takes Hulk down, you'd probably have to keep it there.
What does strengh have to do with teleporting? It's not the same as pulling his head off physically, NC warps space time arround himself and the hulk's head and takes it with him through another dimension. I don't see why superstengh would make teleportation more powerfull.
Originally posted by 753That was just a 'suppose'. What I'm asking is, why is teleporting being granted so much power, like it can separate any material, no matter how durable?
What does strengh have to do with teleporting? It's not the same as pulling his head of physically he warps space time arround his molecules and takes them with him through another dimension. I don't see why superstengh would make teleportation more powerfull.
Originally posted by Mindship
That was just a 'suppose'. What I'm asking is, why is teleporting being granted so much power, like it can separate any material, no matter how durable?
Well, depending on how you look at it, the durabilty would simply not matter because no stress would be placed on the interatomic bonds to begin with; if you assume the TP power must somehow rip the matter physically, then yes, there would be such a limit. But there isnt a definitive answer for it either and different teleporters perform differently. Blink, for instance, can apparently shred anything to pieces.
Originally posted by 753
Well, depending on how you look at it, the durabilty would simply not matter because no stress would be placed on the interatomic bonds to begin with; if you assume the TP power must somehow rip the matter physically, then yes, there would be such a limit. But there isnt a definitive answer for it either and different teleporters perform differently. Blink, for instance, can apparently shred anything to pieces.
Originally posted by Mindship
There is something about teleporting's 'instantness' which seems to suggest it would be good at dismantling things, like somehow the 'instantness' frees it from normal material constraints. But the Hulk is an extraordinary object, able to survive cosmic blasts, hammer strikes and nukes. I'm not convinced Kurt, specifically, could dismantle such material.
It is because he is totally bypassing "durability" and "strength" of the person or object. Everything you mentioned is not anything close to the dimensional teleportation abilities of NC. There is no physical or chemical change happening. It is simple moved.
Originally posted by Lord FeronThat's kind of what I was getting at: teleporting is given special pardon. Why? What does "dimensional" mean? Physical forces are still involved with warping space; but for argument's sake, let's grant teleportation this "simply moved" quality. Does this mean it's an irresistable force (Kurt's TP, specifically)? Could Kurt teleport, eg, Wolverine's adamantium claws to pieces, or Cap's shield?
It is because he is totally bypassing "durability" and "strength" of the person or object. Everything you mentioned is not anything close to the dimensional teleportation abilities of NC. There is no physical or chemical change happening. It is simple moved.
Originally posted by Mindship
That's kind of what I was getting at: teleporting is given special pardon. Why? What does "dimensional" mean? Physical forces are still involved with warping space; but for argument's sake, let's grant teleportation this "simply moved" quality. Does this mean it's an irresistable force (Kurt's TP, specifically)? Could Kurt teleport Wolverine's adamantium claws to pieces?
Maybe. Blink probably can. There are forces involved in folding spacetime, but they dont pull the matter by making a force on it like a conventional attack does. The molecules ocupy a place in space. That volume in space is distorted, how tightly they're holding on to the other molecules is irrelevant, the place they occupied in space isnt quite there anymore, it's in another dimension and then it's elsewhere in the regular world again.
Originally posted by 753I capice. I'm just questioning this assumption (teleportation = ultimate separator), since it's pertinent to this fight.
Maybe. Blink probably can. There are forces involved in folding spacetime, but they dont pull the matter by making a force on it like a conventional attack does. The molecules ocupy a place in space. That volume in space is distorted, how tightly they're holding on to the other molecules is irrelevant, the place they occupied in space isnt quite there anymore, it's in another dimension and then it's elsewhere in the regular world again.
Originally posted by Mindship
I capice. I'm just questioning this assumption (teleportation = ultimate separator), since it's pertinent to this fight.
Well if you want hard evidence I dont think 616 NC has anything like it in his feats, AoA did it a few times, I cant quite recall but did he do it to an invulnerable mutant codenamed wolverine (not logan)? He seemed pretty tough