Batman vs Nightcrawler

Originally posted by praying-mantis
id like to know the source that says NC has superhuman strength
because otherwise i dont see him capable of hurting batman w/o trying
to drop him from the sky! which im sure batman has something for besides his cape!

Usually you don't need a source when it's been demonstrated on panel several times.

Punched out a 20 foot tall Rock Troll with one hit.

Smashed in the face of a Sentinel

Took it to Spidey

etc....

Originally posted by KingD19
Usually you don't need a source when it's been demonstrated on panel several times.

Punched out a 20 foot tall Rock Troll with one hit.

Smashed in the face of a Sentinel

Took it to Spidey

etc....

I personally think that batman is also capable of accomplishing those feats

Batman ain't used to Kurt's teleports. One bamf almost KO'd Logan. Few bamfs and Bruce would be in coma.

Originally posted by Robin Dc
I personally think that batman is also capable of accomplishing those feats

Nightcrawler surprised Spidey in the strength and speed department. He takes Batman in a random encounter.

Originally posted by Silent Master
So Captain America, Iron Fist, Daredevil, Shan Chi, Nightwing, Lady Shiva, Bronze Tiger and David Cain can only hurt Batman if they use nerves/pressure points?

cap-superstrength - in excess of 1000lbs superserum
iron fist-400lbs+chi=equivalent&most def nerves/pressure points
daredevil-master martial artist hits like a prizefighter<verbatum marvel
also knows nerves/pressure points
if shan chi is shang chi -aka MASTER OF KUNG FU same as iron fist can even catch arrows
nightwing-tho he does NOT possess superstrength he was trained by batman sooooo...
lady shiva-master martial artist BIGTIME chi= superstrength & nerve/pp
bronze tiger-trained by richard dragon super strength & nerves/pp
david cain i dont know who this is but i am guessing a martial artist who will fit into one of the above descriptions
i hope i have made my point

Originally posted by praying-mantis
cap-superstrength - in excess of 1000lbs superserum
iron fist-400lbs+chi=equivalent&most def nerves/pressure points
daredevil-master martial artist hits like a prizefighter<verbatum marvel
also knows nerves/pressure points
if shan chi is shang chi -aka MASTER OF KUNG FU same as iron fist can even catch arrows
nightwing-tho he does NOT possess superstrength he was trained by batman sooooo...
lady shiva-master martial artist BIGTIME chi= superstrength & nerve/pp
bronze tiger-trained by richard dragon super strength & nerves/pp
david cain i dont know who this is but i am guessing a martial artist who will fit into one of the above descriptions
i hope i have made my point

None of them have superstrength, so are you really claiming that they'd be unable to hurt Batman without using pressure points?

Originally posted by KingD19
Usually you don't need a source when it's been demonstrated on panel several times.

Punched out a 20 foot tall Rock Troll with one hit.

Smashed in the face of a Sentinel

Took it to Spidey

etc....

if theres no place where nightcrawlers actual strength is listed ie spidey can lift 10tons id assume hes really strong not super its established
for most char what theyre strength is esp if theyre a fighter type
i give many examples in my above post

Originally posted by Prep-Man
Nightcrawler surprised Spidey in the strength and speed department.

Originally posted by chomperx9
When ?

In an early issue of Spider-Man. Forgot which issue, but they briefly fought before they teamed up to take down the villain of the book.

Originally posted by chomperx9
When ?

TASM, one of the issues that were included in Punisher Essential v1.

Originally posted by praying-mantis
imo a person who does NOT posses superhuman strength would have to be hitting batman in the nerves/pressure points or such to hurt him

You're reaching, Batman wears armor true enough, but you go too far. You don't need super human strength to hurt Steve Rogers, Blade or Winter Soldier, what in all of comicvine insanity would lead you to the conclusion that Batman cannot be harmed by peers. In other words..

What the hell are you talking about Willis?!

Originally posted by Juk3n
You're reaching, Batman wears armor true enough, but you go too far. You don't need super human strength to hurt Steve Rogers, Blade or Winter Soldier, what in all of comicvine insanity would lead you to the conclusion that Batman cannot be harmed by peers. In other words..

What the hell are you talking about Willis?!

kurt isnt any stronger than an angry mugger! he has years exp in combat and lifting(what?) his own bodyweight? no car tossing
no fanatical workout nothing that even hints at even peak human ie steve rogers

Originally posted by praying-mantis
uh youve
taken me way too literally...hurt as in this is seriously damaging me as
opposed to this guy is going to hurt himself on my statuesque jawline

kurt isnt any stronger than an angry mugger! he has years exp in combat and lifting(what?) his own bodyweight? no car tossing
no fanatical workout nothing that even hints at even peak human ie steve rogers

Steve Rogers is superhuman, an example of "peak" would be Daredevil. Read less bios. Nightcrawler hasn't got "SUPER STRENGTH" as one of his wiki listed powers, but he has feats to suggest he's stronger than your average joe and certainly strong enough to hurt a peak human (like Batman) with his blows. Scott summers hasn't got "SUPER AGILITY" But if you look at his average acrobatic feats, he's more agile than any olympian athlete could ever hope to be.

Originally posted by praying-mantis
uh youve
taken me way too literally...hurt as in this is seriously damaging me as
opposed to this guy is going to hurt himself on my statuesque jawline

kurt isnt any stronger than an angry mugger! he has years exp in combat and lifting(what?) his own bodyweight? no car tossing
no fanatical workout nothing that even hints at even peak human ie steve rogers

I'm fairly sure that an angry mugger isn't punching out a Rock Troll, smashing the face of a Sentinel or surprising Spider-man with his strength.

Yeah, Cap's bio says he can only lift 800lbs, etc... But the guy takes on the Hulk and outraces bullets.

Bio's only say so much.

all i am saying is a few examples in a few comics dont = super or peak human strength a normal person on drugs could do those things if the
character hasnt been doing things like that as long as theyve been written it dont make sense to say they have statistics they dont actually have..ive read x-men comics(and all variations)for many years and have not once seen nc display any abnormal strength

Post scans of a normal "comic human" matching these feats....taken from his respect thread.

Dangles a man over a cliff

http://i95.photobucket.com/albums/l...ited4dangle.gif

Bashes Sentinel Skull in

http://i95.photobucket.com/albums/l...ntinelsmall.gif

Changes momentum in midair, and throws a man.

http://i95.photobucket.com/albums/l...al5airthrow.gif

Picks man up with his tail

http://i95.photobucket.com/albums/l...119taillift.gif

Controls the arms of a troll who smashes cement

http://i95.photobucket.com/albums/l...r/tailpower.gif

Punches out a 40 foot troll

http://i95.photobucket.com/albums/l...cal58troll3.gif

Man, Batman is so rusty now, Kurt wouldn't have any problem taking him.

Originally posted by Silent Master
Post scans of a normal "comic human" matching these feats....taken from his respect thread.

Dangles a man over a cliff

http://i95.photobucket.com/albums/l...ited4dangle.gif

Bashes Sentinel Skull in

http://i95.photobucket.com/albums/l...ntinelsmall.gif

Changes momentum in midair, and throws a man.

http://i95.photobucket.com/albums/l...al5airthrow.gif

Picks man up with his tail

http://i95.photobucket.com/albums/l...119taillift.gif

Controls the arms of a troll who smashes cement

http://i95.photobucket.com/albums/l...r/tailpower.gif

Punches out a 40 foot troll

http://i95.photobucket.com/albums/l...cal58troll3.gif