Darth Maul v. Quinlan Vos

No, I don't think so. Qui-Gon essentially held Obi-Wan back, at least in my opinion. THe obvious Jedi calmlness mixed with Qui-Gons casual and laid back training didn't really allow Obi-Wan to go all out. Plus, Ataru users require a lot of space, and as a result it makes it diffcult for two of them to attack one person at the same time. If you watch the movie you'll notice that Obi-Wan and Qui-Gon rarely both striked at the same time, and a couple of times they're sabers got tangled.

In my opinion, it took Qui-Gon's death and Obi-Wan's anger to unleash his true potential, in which we see Obi-Wan overpower and chop Maul's saber in half, in the process literally putting him on his ass.

I don't understand how someone who would get floored by a padawan, would beat Council Members with " considerable ease".

I must say 1 thing here: Maul never beat an enraged obi-wan with his lightsaber, he need his force powers to do it...

Indeed.

For what it counts: You're comparing Kenobi's highest showing with Maul's lowest. Maul thrashed Anoon, who was a powerhouse. He nearly beat Sidious. The one time them Maul is injured, surprised, and not actively fighting to his fullest is the evidence you use to support that Maul isn't as good as some people make him out to be.

For example: Say you're in the boxing ring with Muhammad Ali. However, he's got a bad ankle, and wants some competition, so he's holding back. You two are going at it, but then you throw a kick, something completely out of nowhere that he can't possibly expect, given how you had went the previous rounds using normal boxing. He's taken back and you put him on his ass. He stands up, and you two go at it for a few exchanges, and you continue to kick along with punch. It's even for a few seconds, but then he trips you, and you're down for the count. After he wins, you stand up and sucker-punch him in the back of the head, knocking him out.

Is it fair to say you are the better boxer when he has beaten George Foreman and is indeed "The greatest"?

Well, of course it's not. Glad someone agrees.

I apologize if that example seems bizarre, but, it does make sense, correct?

You're comparing Kenobi's highest showing with Maul's lowest. Maul thrashed Anoon, who was a powerhouse. He nearly beat Sidious. The one time them Maul is injured, surprised, and not actively fighting to his fullest is the evidence you use to support that Maul isn't as good as some people make him out to be.

First, kenobi highest was not even showed in TPM, it was on ROTS...
Second, since when Anoon was a powerhouse? What did he make?
Third, you said Maul nearly beat sidious... Besides, wasn't also sidious unexpecting Maul's attack? Even then he beat Maul...

Originally posted by kamhal
First, kenobi highest was not even showed in TPM, it was on ROTS...
Second, since when Anoon was a powerhouse? What did he make?
Third, you said Maul [b]nearly beat sidious... Besides, wasn't also sidious unexpecting Maul's attack? Even then he beat Maul... [/B]

His highest showing up until TPM.

I have no idea about Anoon's craftmanship skills... However, I can tell you that he has the best skills with a lightsaber (above people like Yoda and Windu), and was the Jedi Order's battle master. I can tell you that he defeated Qui Gon in sometimes "brief" duels, where Qui Gon (who was on par with Mace in overall swordsmanship) learned a lot just from those short exchanges. I can tell you that his Padawan, who had shown strong force connections even as an infant, wished to one day have "one tenth" of Anoons adeptness.

It implies that Sidious does not completely outclass Maul. Sidious beat Agen Kolar with one swing of his blade. Agen handed Vos his ass, took it back, then re-handed it to him for emphasis.

Maul would give Vos a beatdown to end all beatdowns.

Originally posted by jollyjim311
For what it counts: You're comparing Kenobi's highest showing with Maul's lowest.

No, I'm comparing what happens when they're both equal, really. Obi-Wan is no longer held back by Qui-Gon and is using his full potential, Maul is no longer fighting two people, rather, just a Padawan.

Maul thrashed Anoon, who was a powerhouse.

I would like to read the book, and find out how exactly Annon dies before I make judgement on this. I read soem info on him and I concede that he's pretty good, from what I've read.

He nearly beat Sidious.

Was Sideous using the force as well? How good are Sideous' skills 10-15 years before Rots?

The one time them Maul is injured

He was injured? One slap that made him fall makes him that injured? Doesn't speak wel for his supposedly 1337 durability. Especially considering Kenobi fell twice as farm and got kicked in the face, not slapped, yet he still pwnt'ed Maul.

surprised

Proof? And if he was suprised, this just speaks for his inability to adapt. He was "surprised" for over 15 seconds(I just counted.). 15 damn seconds. A force user should have adapted by that time and ampped up his offense. Hence, I find it easier to believe that Maul was simply overwhelmed.

and not actively fighting to his fullest

Proof?

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Originally posted by jollyjim311
Agen handed Vos his ass, took it back, then re-handed it to him for emphasis.

holy shit, when i read that, I actually lol'd. Thats great, and i have no idea why...but i love it.

Originally posted by BlaxicanHydra
No, I'm comparing what happens when they're both equal, really. Obi-Wan is no longer held back by Qui-Gon and is using his full potential, Maul is no longer fighting two people, rather, just a Padawan.

I would like to read the book, and find out how exactly Annon dies before I make judgement on this. I read soem info on him and I concede that he's pretty good, from what I've read.

Was Sideous using the force as well? How good are Sideous' skills 10-15 years before Rots?

He was injured? One slap that made him fall makes him that injured? Doesn't speak wel for his supposedly 1337 durability. Especially considering Kenobi fell twice as farm and got kicked in the face, not slapped, yet he still pwnt'ed Maul.

Proof? And if he was suprised, this just speaks for his inability to adapt. He was "surprised" for over 15 seconds(I just counted.). 15 damn seconds. A force user should have adapted by that time and ampped up his offense. Hence, I find it easier to believe that Maul was simply overwhelmed.

Proof?