Suit to decide workplace 'hate speech'

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Suit to decide workplace 'hate speech'

The words "natural family," "marriage" and "union of a man and a woman" can be punished as "hate speech" in government workplaces, according to a lawsuit that is being appealed to the U.S. Supreme Court.
Briefs for Good News Employee Association vs. Hicks, which were filed June 5 with the nation's highest court, lists D.C. school board President Robert C. Bobb as one of two plaintiffs. The case originated five years ago in Oakland, Calif., during his tenure there as city manager.
The dispute began in January 2003, when the two Oakland employees created a subgroup at their workplace called the "Good News Employee Association." It was partly in response to a group of homosexual employees having formed their own group 10 months before and being given access to the city e-mail system. One e-mail, dated Oct. 11, 2002, invited city employees to participate in "National Coming-Out Day."
When several employees asked whether such a posting was legitimate city business, they got an e-mail from City Council member Danny Wan, reminding them that a "celebration of the gay/lesbian culture and movement" was part of the city's role to "celebrate diversity."
In response, the Good News employees posted an introductory flier on the employee bulletin board Jan. 3.
It said: "Preserve Our Workplace With Integrity: Good News Employee Association is a forum for people of faith to express their views on the contemporary issues of the day." It said it opposed "all views which seek to redefine the natural family and marriage," which it defined as "a union of a man and a woman, according to California state law."
Anyone who wanted to help preserve "integrity in the workplace" was invited to contact the two employees: Regina Rederford and Robin Christy.
A lesbian co-worker, Judith Jennings, spotted the flier and complained to the city attorney's office that it made her feel "targeted" and "excluded," according to a deposition. The flier was removed by a supervisor because it violated the city's anti-discrimination rules.
A U.S. District Court for Northern California ruling said the words "natural family" and "marriage" had "anti-homosexual import."
However, Miss Rederford was told she could announce the group's presence on the city's e-mail system if she removed "verbiage that could be offensive to gay people."
In late February 2003, Joyce Hicks, a city deputy executive director and the other defendant in the suit, sent out a memo to city employees. It cited recent incidents where "fliers were placed in public view which contained statements of a homophobic nature" and warned employees they could be fired for posting such material.
Miss Rederford and Miss Christy sued the city, claiming their First Amendment rights had been violated. According to court documents, employees had posted bulletin announcements on everything from terrorist mastermind Osama bin Laden to local sporting events, yet those had not been removed.

The district court disagreed, saying the women had other venues in which to proclaim their message. The 9th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals said employees' freedom of speech takes a back seat to employers' "legitimate administrative interests." They were allowed to submit a new flier, subject to "certain editorial constraints."
"This incredible and devastating ruling has had the practical effect of silencing hundreds, if not thousands, of City of Oakland employees who simply wish to talk about marriage and family values," said a statement from the Pro-Family Law Center in Temecula, Calif., which represents the plaintiffs.
"To the extent that this ruling has been shared by Oakland with other cities, there is a huge risk that these rulings are being treated as precedent by other cities across the nation," the statement continued.

From Washington times http://www.washingtontimes.com/national/20070610-111445-6957r.htm

I tend to be hesitant in believeing Washington times, considering the crap they tend to spur.

Giving the benefit of a doubt, what are your thoughts on this?

Going too far with the hate speech, or a rightful decision?

depends on the context.

Hard to say. The people do have the right to speak their mind even against gays, however if such things really do look like an anti-gay statement and they make these things public then it can easily be seen as homophobic, which makes it harder for the people in the city to trust their officials. Something that should be prevented. If they go out and form groups against their gay co-workers that should also be prevented as it's blatant discrimination.

If they however just made a poster defending the "sanctity of marriage" if you could really call it that, then that should be their right.

A government office should be free of discrimination towards any group. This means you need to put aside your views. However, they can't honestly be expected to do this. The christian group was a direct response to the gay group. What we've got is two groups who've decided to wave a pride flag, to identify themselves under a particular idea. One group wants the freedom to be themselves and the other wants to remind us that their descisions are based on what they believe to be the truth of their religion.

But the reality of the fact is that there need not be any little groups in a government office; gay, christian, african, atheist, etc, because the existence of any one of these groups ,by default, implies the exclusion of someone else because they aren't representative of that group.

See, this is the kind of crap that comes from these independently organized bible groups:

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Is this a joke?

Originally posted by J-Beowulf
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Is this a joke?

Might be completely untrue. Considering the source. I got this link via e-mail, so I thought to share.

Speech laws are the most controversial in my opinion. I mean, there are words that come from ones inner feelings and words that are used for evil. Such as brainwashing the citizens with such garbage.

Marriage? The other examples I could understand as usually they're used in context to gay marraige debates...

But marriage could be talking about two people's marriage.. no hate there...

Going way too far.First the hate crime thing and now this.Man before you know it we will not be able to say anything at all.What happen to freedom of speech?jm

Originally posted by ADarksideJedi
What happen to freedom of speech?jm

Nothing. Was there a special report on Kidz News that I missed?

Once government steps it's foot in, then it's too late to close it...It abuses it's power.

About damn time Oakland got back in the news again. Haven't heard from them outside of the hapless Raiders since the Quake of '89.

Anaheim CA is much more fun. 😄

Not as much rioting and looting in Anaheim, so I'll take Oakland instead.

But, but Disney Land is there, isn't it?

Oh, who cares, there's flowers everywhere.......Just stop and smell them.

I guess when I have to be, I'm more of a DisneyWorld guy. Not because I favor Florida, but it's too damn expensive to travel to Anaheim.