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"I eventually just emailed Joe Kelly, asking him why dimensional barriers were being shattered and why Earth 2 was destroyed in one book and not in the other and he confirmed what I was saying:

When Superman and Superman 2 are in proximity to one another, crazy stuff happens - as it did for anyone who got too close to their "other." So as a combination of that fact and the amount of power the two were exerting against one another, their histories "swapped." Our Superman "grew up" in a 1950's style world and "Superman 2" grew up in our world. Ultimately, each one believed that the other's world was sick and corrupt, but discovered that they could not "fix" the other's world, and in fact made things worse.

This all happened in flashes during the battle, and in the end were "fragments of reality" not the actual history of either universe -just memories shared by the two Supermen."

End excerpt from superherochat.

Taken from Primetime from SHC.

UniOmni's thoughts

I swear the explanation Kelly gave for the effects of the Supermen fight from IC are pretty much the exact same reasons i gave.

Time travel/Alternate version scifi shit 101- When you're in close and constant contact with another you, reality goes bonkers and begins to unravel....

Since two different wavelengths are constantly rebounding off one another.

I remember saying that it was because it was two versions of the same guy, and people disregarded that and took the hyperbole as fact.

Masses-" Superman is strong enough to punch through dimensional walls and break the barriers of time and space. This is stuff beyond Thor.

Masses - Superman was breaking down the barrier of time and space in his ic fight with Kal-L. He's easily the strongest top tier there is.

Me - You're reading too much into it. Whenever two different versions of the same character come together, stuff like this happens. See Superman and Ultraman for a similar result.

Me - This wasn't a feat accomplished through strength alone. What happens when he fights someone else stronger than him? Will they always destroy reality? No, becuase it wasn't based purely off strength. Anyone who's read/watched any scifi related material would understand this.

Me - IC was basically Alex mukking with the multiverse, and Superman and Superman fighting on a planet, and reality starts to unravel during their fight. I might think i was responsible myself, but we know it was Alexander behind it all.

Masses - You're a Marvel biased fanboy who loves to downgrade the feats of Superman. MArvel WHORE!

Me - Whatever man, i know what i read.

Debunked.

If the dimensions are already weak it only takes a bit more to break them down.

Strange...it says here BOTH things are happening. Shattered space and time AND swapped memories.

I would have expected better from you...seriously. If you really want to go by "OmG! De WrItEr SeZ!" then by definition... Superman has no limits and is the most powerful character. Here is Joe Casey's "interview."

here's the interview from alvaro's comic boards

Part III: Fanboy Bonanza

RC: OK, like you said, depending on whom you are writing at the moment, either Superman or Mr. Majestic is more powerful than the other. What if you wrote BOTH in a fight—who wins, who's stronger?

JOE CASEY: If I were to write a Superman/Mr. Majestic story where they meet, I certainly wouldn't have them fight. How many times can we endure *that* kind of superhero misunderstanding?!

RC: Could your Superman re-arrange his own Solar System, and tear a star apart, as Majestic did?

JOE CASEY: Absolutely. Where do you think Mr. Majestic got the idea in the first place...?

RC: Are Superman's powers more related to mental state than solar energy absorption?

Joe Casey: I'd say both.

RC: What was your guiding philosophy for working with Superman as a character of The Adventures of Superman?

JOE CASEY: I've always seen Superman as this completely over-the-top, fantastic character who has *no* limits whatsoever. He's an icon, an idea, a concept... and I didn't want to spend time adhering to Handbook-style stats when it came to his abilities.

Or the other interview, where they said if Superman didn't snap out of it when Doomsday was vaporized, he would have soloed Imperiex Prime and been done with it. Because Superman having no limits is the best way to write him.

And the other interview I reposted yesterday.

http://forum.newsarama.com/showthread.php?t=105799

BT: Well….it won’t be as bloody as the original comic. For one thing, we found out that now Superman’s skin is totally invulnerable, at least according to DC Comics. We were going to have a lot more blood in there, they came back and said ‘You know, Superman’s skin is invulnerable. It can’t break.’ When we said it broke in the comics, they said ‘Well, that was ten years ago.’

F%ck i hate Superman.

Originally posted by Juntai
And the other interview I reposted yesterday.

http://forum.newsarama.com/showthread.php?t=105799

BT: Well….it won’t be as bloody as the original comic. For one thing, we found out that now Superman’s skin is totally invulnerable, at least according to DC Comics. We were going to have a lot more blood in there, they came back and said ‘You know, Superman’s skin is invulnerable. It can’t break.’ When we said it broke in the comics, they said ‘Well, that was ten years ago.’

Let's not forget this gem by Dan Jurgens.

RC: You used to, back in the days of the old AOL/DC Comics boards. I remember one of the earliest times I came across you was when a fan asked your opinion on who would win in a fight between Superman and the Silver Surfer-and you said, "Superman . . . 99 out of 100 times; Surfer . . . once, because I’m being generous." The fan went nuts over that!

DAN JURGENS: Right. And at that time, when DC had the AOL boards set up . . . there was an innocence that was there [but] that has gone now and has been replaced by a mean spiritedness, sense of aggression and cynicism that I just don’t have time for.

🙂

heh. it's always been pretty clear to anyone that has read superman in any length that there really can't be PIS attributed to the character. he can frankly, do whatever the writers want him to do. some will write him as more human, others, as more than god.

you take what you get when you open up a superman book. like it or not, he is simply different from every other character. personally i wouldn't have it any other way.

🙂

Originally posted by UniOmni
Since two different wavelengths are constantly rebounding off one another.

Originally posted by leonidas
like it or not, he is simply different from every other character. personally i wouldn't have it any other way.
🙂

Originally posted by Avalonofthewind

Strange...it says here BOTH things are happening. Shattered space and time AND swapped memories.

I would have expected better from you...seriously. If you really want to go by "OmG! De WrItEr SeZ!" then by definition... Superman has no limits and is the most powerful character. Here is Joe Casey's "interview."

Inconsequential stuff.
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I didn't make this thread to take away the validity of the fight.

I only made it to show people that i wasn't reaching, as i was said to be doing.

The feat stands since it doesn't say anything about the multiversal mukking being behind the fight, and interviews don't change what the panel says.

Superman is strong enough to break the barriers of time and space.

But Uniomni is smart enough to see the whole picture.

And lol at Imperiex Prime being a credible threat to Galactus if Casey had done things his way.

Originally posted by UniOmni
"I eventually just emailed Joe Kelly, asking him why dimensional barriers were being shattered and why Earth 2 was destroyed in one book and not in the other and he confirmed what I was saying:
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I doubt you got any response from him even if you did E-mail him. Comic book writers usually denounce what they consider fanboy questions, especially in respect to comic book 'vs' match ups. I spoken to Kurt Brusiek on various ocassins and he hates this kind of thing. I bet your one of those guys who would do anything to win a debate, even pretend they where a writer or something.

Originally posted by Juntai
Or the other interview, where they said if Superman didn't snap out of it when Doomsday was vaporized, he would have soloed Imperiex Prime and been done with it. Because Superman having no limits is the best way to write him.

Why is referring to the Joe Casey interview, whents its Joe Kelly Mister Uni, is referring to ? The two oppinions are completely different, as one is a half decent writer who was on Superman for many years, while the other writes total crap.

Who writes total crap?

Casey or Kelly?

Cuz while i think Casey goes a little too gaga over Superman types, he was great on Wildcats 3.0.

And i did pretend to be a writer at one time, and it was all done in humor.

I didn't email Kelly tho. My post says who did and what forum they're from.

Debunked.

Originally posted by UniOmni
Who writes total crap?

Casey or Kelly?

Cuz while i think Casey goes a little too gaga over Superman types, he was great on Wildcats 3.0.

And i did pretend to be a writer at one time, and it was all done in humor.

I didn't email Kelly tho. My post says who did and what forum they're from.

Debunked.

Casey writes total crap.

Joe Kellys stuff is usually on the ball (That was until he started writing Supergirl).

You can't squeeze a diamond out of a hand full of manure.

The way Supergirl was shoehorned into the DCU was awkward, and the issues Loeb built up with her cousin are even moreso.

Originally posted by Avalonofthewind

Strange...it says here BOTH things are happening. Shattered space and time AND swapped memories.

I would have expected better from you...seriously. If you really want to go by "OmG! De WrItEr SeZ!" then by definition... Superman has no limits and is the most powerful character. Here is Joe Casey's "interview."

[b]here's the interview from alvaro's comic boards

Part III: Fanboy Bonanza

RC: OK, like you said, depending on whom you are writing at the moment, either Superman or Mr. Majestic is more powerful than the other. What if you wrote BOTH in a fight—who wins, who's stronger?

JOE CASEY: If I were to write a Superman/Mr. Majestic story where they meet, I certainly wouldn't have them fight. How many times can we endure *that* kind of superhero misunderstanding?!

RC: Could your Superman re-arrange his own Solar System, and tear a star apart, as Majestic did?

JOE CASEY: Absolutely. Where do you think Mr. Majestic got the idea in the first place...?

RC: Are Superman's powers more related to mental state than solar energy absorption?

Joe Casey: I'd say both.

RC: What was your guiding philosophy for working with Superman as a character of The Adventures of Superman?

JOE CASEY: I've always seen Superman as this completely over-the-top, fantastic character who has *no* limits whatsoever. He's an icon, an idea, a concept... and I didn't want to spend time adhering to Handbook-style stats when it came to his abilities. [/B]

Originally posted by UniOmni
You can't squeeze a diamond out of a hand full of manure.

The way Supergirl was shoehorned into the DCU was awkward, and the issues Loeb built up with her cousin are even moreso.

I thought Loebs stuff on Supergirl was actually quite interesting, and the Darksied Arc is one of my favourites. I hate it how everyone bad mouths it because of how the Darksied Superman fight went, as if that type of crap actually matters.