Originally posted by Bouboumaster
Don't agreed.Both have matter manipulation. They ****ed up and exploit the weaknesses of Sups.
I know that part but firelord in almost every appearance always appear weak. I know his potential but on panel he always get his a** handed to him. If I was to think of how firelord SHOULD be since he basically has power that rival or surpass a lot of characters on the forum then he would be a beast but going by on panel feats he is as low as a herald could get.
Black bolt n the other hand.
Matter manipulation isnt the reason I would give them a win over superman, they are basically just too powerful. Hell black bolt has the ability to create black holes and superman struggled to hold one in his hand, imagine if black bolt conjured up numerous of black holes on or around superman. Not only that, black bolt can create a force field that has been demonstrated of having the ability to hold back nukes even though his durability is high as it is.