Originally posted by Alliance
Please don't confuse "Scientific Theory" with "Cockamanie Theory." Perhaps you've heard of Newton's Theory of Gravity?
Originally posted by Alliance
Darwin was never really an athiest. he lost faith and became more deist after his daughter died.
Originally posted by Alliance
Darwin did not use skeletal remains...he mainly used finches and barnacles.
Regarding finches: There are at-least 12 identified species of this bird.
Take a look at this PIC of Darwin's Click!
[Colore=Red]It only shows different species of the same bird and nothing else.[Color] Darwin sought these specimens for observation and made an assumption that somehow these different species could have been formed from a small number of common ancestors so that each was modified to suit "different ends" or "habitats".
Now who are the supposed ancestors of this bird? And how can you prove to me that these birds evolved from those prehistoric birds?
Yeah right! Now comes the concept of examinig the skeletal remains of some ancient birds that are dead and make claims that they are ancestors of these birds. 🙄
Regarding Barnacles: Several of species of this creature have been identified and each species demonstrate different habitats. Now the problem is that Barnacles remain Barnacles. We do not see them evolving in to more advanced life forms.
Or do they according to Darwin! 🙄
Originally posted by Alliance
Evolution is observable.
Originally posted by Alliance If youre expecting a lizard to turn into a dog, you'll never see it, nor did it probably ever happen.
Originally posted by Alliance
Not all the Christian prophets believed in one god....and you're unfairly discounting the millions of phrophets of other religions.
Originally posted by Alliance
They also thought the world was flat and held up in the corners by for pillars, as the Bible tells us. Clearly older is better. 😖
Originally posted by Alliance
😂What shape is the Earth? is it round? how do you know that? Have tou travelled the earth? No.
The case of Theory of Evolution is also similar. Darwin observed different species of some animals and made an assumption that they might have evolved from a few ancestors. The evidence being shown are the skeletal remains of dead ancient or prehistoric animals who are the supposed anacestors of the modern animals. This clearly shows that the entire theory is just based on assumptions and not a proven fact. Until we see a currently alive animal changing in to a different animal, I will not believe this shit.
Originally posted by Alliance
You simply THINK it is round because thats what everyone has told you...because thats what they were told
In the similar manner, a person told us that Evolution happened and many believe it but it has yet to proven to be true because there are no live examples to witness.
A Lion remains a Lion. A Dog remains a Dog and so on.
Originally posted by Alliance
Fake organizations like NASA publish fake pictures of the Earth just to reinforce this view. People will think the Earth is round for millenia...its a modern travesty.
Originally posted by Alliance
Perhaps Darwin, Huxley, Mendel, Dobzhansky, Morgan, Mayr, Haldane, Simpson, Fischer, and Woese were put here by God to promote the truth?
Originally posted by Alliance
How can you deny the observable truth of God's creation?
Originally posted by Alliance
"lots" meaning "some"...none of which can be answered by any other theory.
Originally posted by Alliance
Because they don't even know what they're arguing about.
Originally posted by Shakyamunison
Why does there have to be a point of Creation?
Originally posted by Shakyamunison
If God has always been, then why not the universe.
Originally posted by Shakyamunison
I believe that the Universe is part of God and eternal.
This means that things will once again go back in to nothingness but the point is that there is no true nothingness but a Force that makes all this happen.
IMPORTANT NOTE: A Post of mine above have some errors that cannot be fixed now. So I have re-posted my reply in a proper manner again here and without any errors.
@ Alliance! You can discard the above post and reply to this one.
Originally posted by Alliance
Please don't confuse "Scientific Theory" with "Cockamanie Theory." Perhaps you've heard of Newton's Theory of Gravity?
Originally posted by Alliance
Darwin was never really an athiest. he lost faith and became more deist after his daughter died.
Originally posted by Alliance
Darwin did not use skeletal remains...he mainly used finches and barnacles.
Regarding finches: There are at-least 12 identified species of this bird.
Take a look at this PIC of Darwin's finches: Click!
It only shows different species of the same bird and nothing else. Darwin sought these specimens for observation and made an assumption that somehow these different species could have been formed from a small number of common ancestors so that each was modified to suit "different ends" or "habitats".
Now who are the supposed ancestors of this bird? And how can you prove to me that these birds evolved from those prehistoric birds?
Yeah right! Now comes the concept of examinig the skeletal remains of some ancient birds that are dead and make claims that they are ancestors of these birds. 🙄
Regarding Barnacles: Several of species of this creature have been identified and each species demonstrate different habitats. Now the problem is that Barnacles remain Barnacles. We do not see them evolving in to more advanced life forms.
Or do they according to Darwin? 🙄
Originally posted by Alliance
Evolution is observable.
Originally posted by Alliance
If youre expecting a lizard to turn into a dog, you'll never see it, nor did it probably ever happen.
Originally posted by Alliance
Not all the Christian prophets believed in one god....and you're unfairly discounting the millions of phrophets of other religions.
Originally posted by Alliance
They also thought the world was flat and held up in the corners by for pillars, as the Bible tells us. Clearly older is better. 😖
Originally posted by Alliance
😂What shape is the Earth? is it round? how do you know that? Have tou travelled the earth? No.
The case of Theory of Evolution is also similar. Darwin observed different species of some animals and made an assumption that they might have evolved from a few ancestors. The evidence being shown are the skeletal remains of dead ancient or prehistoric animals who are the supposed anacestors of the modern animals. This clearly shows that the entire theory is just based on assumptions and not a proven fact. Until we see a currently alive animal changing in to a different animal, I will not believe this shit.
A Lion remains a Lion. A Dog remains a Dog and so on.
Originally posted by Alliance
You simply THINK it is round because thats what everyone has told you...because thats what they were told
Originally posted by Alliance
Fake organizations like NASA publish fake pictures of the Earth just to reinforce this view. People will think the Earth is round for millenia...its a modern travesty
Originally posted by Alliance
Perhaps Darwin, Huxley, Mendel, Dobzhansky, Morgan, Mayr, Haldane, Simpson, Fischer, and Woese were put here by God to promote the truth?
Originally posted by Alliance
How can you deny the observable truth of God's creation?
Originally posted by Alliance
"lots" meaning "some"...none of which can be answered by any other theory.
Originally posted by Alliance
Because they don't even know what they're arguing about.
I love it how Theists love to throw the word "faith" around, particularly in bold or italic letters.
SWLegend, The notion that hundreds of thousands of people or alleged prophets in the OT believed in Creationism means shit, Creationism doesn't have a shred of proof nor will it ever have any because if Creationism by a small chance ever did occur it wouldn't left any evidence behind. Thus, it is irrational for people to believe in it but no, being who you are you will now start waving your fist and yell "faith".
I know how to handle people like you. I will advice you to stay civil for your own good.
Originally posted by backdoorman
I love it how Theists love to throw the word "faith" around, particularly in bold or italic letters.
Originally posted by backdoorman
SWLegend, The notion that hundreds of thousands of people or alleged prophets in the OT believed in Creationism means shit, Creationism doesn't have a shred of proof nor will it ever have any because if Creationism by a small chance ever did occur it wouldn't left any evidence behind. Thus, it is irrational for people to believe in it but no, being who you are you will now start waving your fist and yell "faith".
Originally posted by backdoorman
Hahahaha.
And neither is there any concrete evidence to prove that Theory of Evolution is true.
Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
Totally irrelevant comment. Stick to the topic next time.
Very relevant, you extreme moron.
You trust people from 2000 years ago that had to eat each others shit in order to not die more than the people that gave you penicilin, computers, heart transplants, etc.
You are a conditioned idiot...it is sad that people like you still exist.
Originally posted by Bardock42
Very relevant, you extreme moron.
Do not forget that when you point one finger at others, the other 4 fingers point back at you as well.
Originally posted by Bardock42
You trust people from 2000 years ago that had to eat each others shit in order to not die more than the people that gave you penicilin, computers, heart transplants, etc.
They used to eat proper food like us. And they taught people the right things and adviced them to shun barbarism.
Darwin never gave us Computers, Heart Transplants or things like that. He gave us a shitty theory, which also lacks any visible evidence.
Originally posted by Bardock42
You are a conditioned idiot...it is sad that people like you still exist. [/B]
Prove to me that Theory of Evolution is true.
Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
Learn some manners, son.
You are 3 years older than me, gramps. Also stupid.
Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
Do not forget that when you point one finger at others, the other 4 fingers point back at you as well.
Oh my me, I never thought of it that way....but wait, it's just an idiotic analogy people that constantly get pointed at came up with. Do not forget that when someone points a finger at you....well, you are a moron. Incidently also when no one points a finger at you.
Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
Those people did not eat each others shit. 🙄They used to eat proper food like us. And they taught people the right things and adviced them to shun barbarism.
Darwin never gave us Computers, Heart Transplants or things like that. He gave us a shitty theory, which also lacks any visible evidence.
No, but scientists did, using the scientific method that also made Evolution a scientific theory and not a "shit theory" (correct term for creationism)
They didn't know nearly as much as we actually know today. They died at the age of 40 and they thought the earth was flat...they didn't have any ultimate wisdom, dude...they were idiots.
Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
It is really a waste of time for people of faith to deal with dellusional people like you who will remain dellusional till death.
Hahahahahahhahahahahahahahhahahahahahahahhahaha
Hahahahahahhahahahah
I get it, cause you are stupid, right?
Hahahahahhahaha
That's funny.
Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
Prove to me that Theory of Evolution is true.
Nah, you are too stupid. Waste of time.
The thing is, creationism doesn't just start with faith, like S W Legend says, it also ends there. The reason evolution has beena theory for so long is because it has been tested countless times to the best of our current abilities, and has still yet to be disproven. How about instead of asking people to prove to you that evolution exists, why not get off your lazy ass and do your own research?
Show me one live example of an animal that is currently evolving in to a different and better animal.
canines. We humans have witnessed the canine species changing and growing into over 150 variations, we refer to them today as breeds. A German Shephard is different from a poodle in both size and structure. As for "better".......there is no such thing. Different canines are "better" suited to different environments. I can put a poodle in the arctic north and it will freeze to death in hours.......yet if I were to drop my very cute 3 year old Siberian Husky into the arctic north, survival would not be a problem for her. Her structural differences from that of a poodle make her better adapted to the environment. By her surviving and the poodle dying, this ensures the next canines born in the arctic north would be Siberian Huskies as they are more fit to survive there. You may have heard it referred to as "survival of the fittest" when you heard one of your friends (who actually went to class to learn something) talk about it. The proper term for that is natural selection.......you know, the method of evolution. This process has only been occurring on a large scale in the canine population for 1000 years, where will it be in hundreds of thousands of years? Canines are born with mutations all the time....we humans, however, have them put to sleep or atleast keep them from breeding. All we have to do is breed an animal with a mutant gene....imbreed the next two or three generations and voila, new species.
I'm done here.....enough of your Christian, invisible man in the sky watching me jerk off rhetoric.
Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
Can you explain to me in short words that how Theory of Evolution is "purely scientific" in nature?
sure, its pretty simple. There is no "set in stone" criteria for anything to be considered fact by the scientific community, though there are some very important criteria. The main ones are passing occam's razor and being falsifiable. Evolution passes occam's razor because there is no better way of explaining what we observe objectively in labs around the world. Any other explanation must introduce many more unknowable forces than evolution, and thus, it is considered to be the most consistant explanation for the phenomena.
Falsifiability is a little bit different. In science, something cannot be true if it cannot be prooven false. So, we can think of evidence that would disprove evolution. For instance, if we found a new species that was ompletely novel in the fossil and genetic record, then we could possibly conclude that evolution did not occur. Similarily, if we could run a hereditary line of bacteria or whatever, and we found that their survival and genes were not related, evolution would be thrown out the window.
Evolution is also repeatably testable, and experiments that show the validity of the fossil records, heredity, variance, and all of the other qualities involved in the process of evolution have been conducted all over the world with the same rsults. Because of this, predictions can be made about evolution, and while they would be useless in a non-controled eco-system, in a controlled lab setting, there are new experiments that are showing we can use our understanding of evolution to predict certain changes.
Methodologically, evolutionary scientists follow the rigors of the scientific method, the same as the people who discovered the way to make the computer you are using today. In fact, because the American scientists during the cold war were so methodologically commited to science and thus evolution, Amreicans did not fall into the folk science that starved much of Russia (their anti-americanism had lead them to refuse the concept of genetic heredity because it was an American science).
Finally, Evolution works. Biology doesn't make sense without evolution, nor does creationism. The idea that we were "intelligently" designed with an appendix is ridiculous, and at best shows that this omnscient intelligence in the sky has far less of an idea of how to engineer something than most teenagers.
Creationism does not pass occam's razor, since a supernatural explanation for events by definition introduces unexplainable entities or variables into an equation.
However, the most damning evidence against creationism is that it is completely unfalsifiable. Given what we know about the universe, for creationism to be true, God, or whatever, would have had to have created the universe in such a way that it appears that it was not created. God would have had to painstakingly designed life with the appearance of evolving.
Think about the implications of this for a moment. If a universe that appears to be natural can also be designed, then what would be the evidence that the universe wasn't designed or that life was not designed? For instance, scientists can tell you what you would expect to see if what were know about the universe is false, there is no such corellary for creationism. Even the appearance of natural evolution can be proof of design. Thus, simply because the idea is unfalsifiable, creationism is pretty much childish fantasy.
Creationism similarily proposes no experiments that can be done, and makes no predictions about the future.
Basically, evolution is science, creationism is religion. there is no reason to argue this point, especially if you think religion is truer than science. If you really think God made everything, don't look foolish by trying to beat science at it's own game. Issac Newton made a fool of himself by theorizing on the metaphysical, as will most natural scientists. Stay with what you know.
Originally posted by Bardock42
You are 3 years older than me, gramps. Also stupid.
You are actually acting like a stupid person and not me.
Originally posted by Bardock42
Oh my me, I never thought of it that way....but wait, it's just an idiotic analogy people that constantly get pointed at came up with. Do not forget that when someone points a finger at you....well, you are a moron. Incidently also when no one points a finger at you.
Originally posted by Bardock42
No, but scientists did, using the scientific method that also made Evolution a scientific theory and not a "shit theory" (correct term for creationism)
Originally posted by Bardock42
They didn't know nearly as much as we actually know today. They died at the age of 40 and they thought the earth was flat...they didn't have any ultimate wisdom, dude...they were idiots.
Originally posted by Bardock42
HahahahahahhahahahahahahahhahahahahahahahhahahaHahahahahahhahahahah
I get it, cause you are stupid, right?
Hahahahahhahaha
That's funny.
Originally posted by Bardock42
Nah, you are too stupid. Waste of time.
You have proven to be a true moron and additionally you are delusional.
Originally posted by Evil Dead
canines. We humans have witnessed the canine species changing and growing into over 150 variations, we refer to them today as breeds. A German Shephard is different from a poodle in both size and structure. As for "better".......there is no such thing. Different canines are "better" suited to different environments. I can put a poodle in the arctic north and it will freeze to death in hours.......yet if I were to drop my very cute 3 year old Siberian Husky into the arctic north, survival would not be a problem for her. Her structural differences from that of a poodle make her better adapted to the environment. By her surviving and the poodle dying, this ensures the next canines born in the arctic north would be Siberian Huskies as they are more fit to survive there. You may have heard it referred to as "survival of the fittest" when you heard one of your friends (who actually went to class to learn something) talk about it. The proper term for that is natural selection.......you know, the method of evolution. This process has only been occurring on a large scale in the canine population for 1000 years, where will it be in hundreds of thousands of years? Canines are born with mutations all the time....we humans, however, have them put to sleep or atleast keep them from breeding. All we have to do is breed an animal with a mutant gene....imbreed the next two or three generations and voila, new species.
Also, inbreeding causes several defects in the new born cubs as well. You should keep this fact in mind.
And Evolution says that life forms themselves can evolve in to new and better life forms. We have yet to see a live example of this.
