The thing with Star Wars though, is that it's fanbase exists on so many levels.
Take us lot for example. We enjoy Star Wars, but we don't talk about it 24/7, we see the films, but we won't go to conventions and see the film multiple times (Arguably, thats just me there) that is not cult like behaviour, for a start, there are many of us. But then there are smaller sects of Star Wars fans that endevour in all kinds of cult-like activity; you name it, they've done it.
I'm simply putting two and two together; a cult following (Or would you deny Star Wars cult status altogether?) along with a classic film (of course, you could argue this), hence a cult classic.
The same can be said with Star Trek (however unfortunate that they are often paired together). It has an undeniable cult following, yet still, it appeals to a mainstream audience, has its films distributed and produced by Hollywood majors. It also makes alot of money.
Both franchises show a flaw in the definition of "cult classic" being a strictly non-mainstream product.
Originally posted by Ushgarak
'Cult' films have a small but loyal fanbase. That is, in no way at all, even vaguely a definition of Star Wars, which is a populist movie. It's all very well for you to say 'there can be no true definition for cult classic', but with all due respect, that's just you talking rubbish. There IS a definition and it is not something you can just re-define to suit yourself.
That's what I told him in the movie thread, I guess some things just don’t sink in, eventually I gave up.
Originally posted by exanda kane
More people have agreed so far that Star Wars is a "cult classic" than not, in both threads. With all due respect, your arguments against its cult status can't have been too effective.
Again you prove how ignorant you are, the opinions of a few Star Wars fans does not matter. The term is defined, 6 people in a movie forum is hardly enough to shake the definition. Go ahead and try to call Star War's a “cult classic” to a film scholar, see what happens.
Another thing, don't try to split up the term "Cult classic" in two separate ideas then smash them together or use it as a social term, the word "cult" serves as an analogy. The fact that some of your supporters didn't even know what a "cult classic" was before you "informed" them shows their ignorance.
You have 6 people in a internet forum agreeing with you, and that gives you the balls to try and re-define a term that is very specific and well established? Ha, are you mentally invalid?
Originally posted by 2D_MASTER
[B]Again you prove how ignorant you are, the opinions of a few Star Wars fans does not matter. The term is defined, 6 people in a movie forum is hardly enough to shake the definition. Go ahead and try to call Star War's a “cult classic” to a film scholar, see what happens.
And I would be one of the first to agree that 6 people on a movie forum does not matter. If I was really convicted to a cause as petty as this, trust me, I'd be out on the streets parading around Oxford, but alas I'm not, but if the chance arose, I would discuss the argument with a film scholar. I think you'll find, being a film scholar, they would realise that there are often flaws in definitions, and while they would admit that we need defintions sometimes, we cannot dismiss those flaws. This definition has a flaw, and Star Wars and Star Trek are exemplarary.
Another thing, don't try to split up the term "Cult classic" in two separate ideas then smash them together or use it as a social term, the word "cult" serves as an analogy. The fact that some of your supporters didn't even know what a "cult classic" was before you "informed" them shows their ignorance.
Supporters? Are you really that mental? People have their own responses, valid responses as well, and simply because their judgement differs from that of a definition, does not mean you should disregard them. Indeed, it strongly emphasises a possible flaw in that said definition.
I've heard your points. I've seen that you cannot concede obvious observations and that you must abide by definitions to express yourself in vague ways, but I'd much rather like to hear what Queeq, or someone else has to say now.
Originally posted by queeq
And Jedi religion was a joke. It doesn't exist because no one can tell you what it is, where and how to practise it. To even discuss that is ridiculous.
I know people who actually think they could pratice it. they laid out a law, how to meditate, even a test so you can join.
what's happening to our world?
I might sound selfish here but sometimes I wish that Star wars had only ever been the one original 1977 movie and nobody had really heard of it apart from me and several thousand other cool people around the globe and I could appreciate it knowing that it hadn't been whored to death by fanboys and the industry. Can you imagine that? If it had bombed at the box office and it fell into obscurity?