Originally posted by Reality Cell
That's completely untrue, he's likely the very one sith that has the most characterdepth of all.
No, I assure you, it's completely true. He is a Sith, and I've yet to find one who's more than a mezra of cliche's. It's Star Wars. You can hardly expect Iago or Mr.Kurtz can you?
No, I assure you, it's completely true. He is a Sith, and I've yet to find one who's more than a mezra of cliche's. It's Star Wars. You can hardly expect Iago or Mr.Kurtz can you?
Honor by association, Logical Fallacy.
Now clearly you haven't read PoD, because if you had, you'd understand how Bane is pretty much the only sith lord who's fall to the darkside was actually realistic, and despite his dark and evil nature, was actually a sympathetic character. The reader could understand why he made all the choices that he did in the book, and would root for him to win, even while he was planning all the evil schemes he set about in the book. That's not what you'd call a one dimensional character.
That's all about perspective, Reality. Exanda is entitled to his opinion [however flawed we may or may not think it is]. I enjoyed Bane's character, and PoD was an excellent book, despite the author's laughable attempts to both: a.) overpower Bane and b.) credit everything Bane did directly to Darth Revan.
Originally posted by Reality Cell
Honor by association, Logical Fallacy.Now clearly you haven't read PoD, because if you had, you'd understand how Bane is pretty much the only sith lord who's fall to the darkside was actually realistic, and despite his dark and evil nature, was actually a sympathetic character. The reader could understand why he made all the choices that he did in the book, and would root for him to win, even while he was planning all the evil schemes he set about in the book. That's not what you'd call a one dimensional character.
Of course I have not read the book, I clearly stated that a few posts ago and I will admit to you now, I have no desire to read it.
I have yet to find any Star Wars character that doesn't serve either as an archetype or a secondary novelty, yes, including Vader Gideon. Any book can develop sympathy from the reader, it's not a Herculean task.
But read what you will read, if cliche super villains are your thing.
Originally posted by Gideon
Not all villains can be Darth Vader. Hardcore people who turn out to be total pansies. Palpatine is Iago in every step of the way. Hell, he's even motivated by the same thing: revenge.
You mean Lucas Arts realised that there arch-villain had little to no motive other than an ancient blood fued? So they decided to hire a hack author to fill in some pulp mythos for them. Good for them 😉
Believe me, I don't always want the tragic dissident, but a mythos with too many archetypes can become cliche and transform into a story of stereotypes.
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Really, Exanda, I find your opinion strange. No one wants the bad guys to be emotionally torn, tragic figures like Vader.
It's good that your enjoy the escapism of villains like these, it really is and we are all partial to it sometimes, but ultimatedly, I find human nature a much more fascinating subject than that of a fictional galaxy. It's all subjective though.
Believe me, I don't always want the tragic dissident, but a mythos with too many archetypes can become cliche and transform into a story of stereotypes.
Enlighten us on what you would have done, then.
Perhaps, after every execution order, Sidious could shed a tear? Perhaps second thoughts?
Sidious was supposed to be the cold, irredeemable character that uses others like pawns on a chessboard. Adding feeling to that or extra motivation out of revenge or a thirst for power would be detrimental to the purpose of the character.
It's good that your enjoy the escapism of villains like these, it really is and we are all partial to it sometimes, but ultimatedly, I find human nature a much more fascinating subject than that of a fictional galaxy. It's all subjective though.
...Consider Palpatine a lesson on human nature. What humanity can truly become.
Originally posted by Gideon
Enlighten us on what you would have done, then.Perhaps, after every execution order, Sidious could shed a tear? Perhaps second thoughts?
Sidious was supposed to be the cold, irredeemable character that uses others like pawns on a chessboard. Adding feeling to that or extra motivation out of revenge or a thirst for power would be detrimental to the purpose of the character.
What I would have done? I would have left Palpatine exactly as he was. I am not arguing against the representation of his character. He was an archetype, Lucas celebrating the ultimate source of evil, the devil et cetera et cetera. But once you've seen that villain once, you have seen them all.
...Consider Palpatine a lesson on human nature. What humanity can truly become. [/B]
"Without contraries, their can be no progress".
To laud his character up as a moral warning (of what exactly? the dangers dark swimwear?) is almost an injustice to Palpatine in the first place. But if Star Wars was a psychological document, you'd see certainly have to see where Palpatine came from, to understand what he became.