Is Life Just Chemistry?

Started by Alliance13 pages

Re: Re: Re: Is Life Just Chemistry?

Originally posted by JesusIsAlive
With all of our superb technology, knowledge, skill, ingenuity, and education scientists (plural which means that many heads are better than one) should be able to [B]at least (at the very minimum) duplicate (deliberately) what scientists believe that random, chance occurrence did by fortuitous happenstance right? What is the hold up? Why should it take billions of years to create life with our smarts, technology, supercomputers, etc. In fact, which part evolved first the chicken or the egg--oops, I mean the brain or the foot? Why don't scientists simply make a toe? That's all, they don't have to make a brain, just create a big toe, and I'll be satisfied. [/B]

You have no idea how complex the human body is. The tools we have are the best they've every been, but we don't know everything. Try making an oragami crane with a jackhammer. It should be easy to make an oragami crane.

We can only manuipulate proteins we can isolate. We can only interpret code we can understand.

There is a lot we don't know. There is likely even more we don't know that we don't even know we know. You ignore many issues that are simply a result of how complex the situation is. No machine on earth is as efficient or complex as natural biological systems.

We're making progress, especailly at the genomic level, we have a much better understanding of how DNA works and what it means. Still, we don't really know what the function of many parts of DNA. Proteins are a whole different story.

Big toe? Come on, you're talking about the interaction of millions of cells that need to be creaded from scratch and then developed into multiple organ systems and have functional significance.

Lets start with a cell, which would be a more realistic goal at the current time. More specifically, a prokaryote organism, a single cell that doesn't require the interactions with others. We can thow a bunch of structures together and a bunch of proteins et al, but we'll be missing other compounds that we haven't identified yet. Compounds necessary maybe even during only one part of its life cycle.

Its just simply not a practical area of research at this point.

So, why the f*ck does this even matter?

Originally posted by JesusIsAlive
But I didn't. I asked a valid question (it is valid because of the abundance of knowledge at our disposal and fingertips).

They said the same thing in 1000 CE about flying machines. They sat back and marveled at how advanced they were.

Re: Re: Re: Re: Is Life Just Chemistry?

Originally posted by Alliance
So, why the f*ck does this even matter?

It doesn't. Humans creating life doesn't matter, be it a cell or a human.

But why does JIA think it matters? More proselytizing?

Originally posted by Alliance
But why does JIA think it matters? More proselytizing?

He's dumb.

Yes.

Re: Re: Re: Re: Is Life Just Chemistry?

Originally posted by Alliance
You have no idea how complex the human body is. The tools we have are the best they've every been, but we don't know everything. Try making an oragami crane with a jackhammer. It should be easy to make an oragami crane.

We can only manuipulate proteins we can isolate. We can only interpret code we can understand.

There is a lot we don't know. There is likely even more we don't know that we don't even know we know. You ignore many issues that are simply a result of how complex the situation is. No machine on earth is as efficient or complex as natural biological systems.

We're making progress, especailly at the genomic level, we have a much better understanding of how DNA works and what it means. Still, we don't really know what the function of many parts of DNA. Proteins are a whole different story.

Big toe? Come on, you're talking about the interaction of millions of cells that need to be creaded from scratch and then developed into multiple organ systems and have functional significance.

Lets start with a cell, which would be a more realistic goal at the current time. More specifically, a prokaryote organism, a single cell that doesn't require the interactions with others. We can thow a bunch of structures together and a bunch of proteins et al, but we'll be missing other compounds that we haven't identified yet. Compounds necessary maybe even during only one part of its life cycle.

Its just simply not a practical area of research at this point.

So, why the f*ck does this even matter?

They said the same thing in 1000 CE about flying machines. They sat back and marveled at how advanced they were.

My point is that the human body is too complicated to have evolved. Time is irrelevant and immaterial with regard to evolution, there is no way that life (billions of organisms consisting of complicated plants, humans, insects, animals, etc.) evolved.

http://nwcreation.net/abiogenesis.html

http://www.doesgodexist.org/MayJun01/NewPlanetsDemonstrateEarthsUniqueness.html

Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Is Life Just Chemistry?

Originally posted by JesusIsAlive
[B]My point is that the human body is too complicated to have evolved./B]

Why?

Originally posted by Alliance
Why?

Shhh, you'll spoil it.

The entire point of such a statement is to end the discussion on a "So there!" note. With that statement, JIA has officially beaten evolution.

http://doodoodoodoodoo.ytmnd.com/

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Originally posted by Alliance
Why?

http://nwcreation.net/articles/howlifebegin.html(the answer to your question Alliance can be found in this link)

Originally posted by JesusIsAlive
My point is that the human body is too complicated to have evolved. Time is irrelevant and immaterial with regard to evolution, there is no way that life (billions of organisms consisting of complicated plants, humans, insects, animals, etc.) evolved.

http://nwcreation.net/abiogenesis.html

http://www.doesgodexist.org/MayJun01/NewPlanetsDemonstrateEarthsUniqueness.html

Just because your simple mind cant quite grasp the concept does not discredit it in anyway. The bible suits a person like you, stick to it.

Originally posted by Magee
Just because your simple mind cant quite grasp the concept does not discredit it in anyway. The bible suits a person like you, stick to it.

The most erudite scientists cannot grasp the concept otherwise they would have created life a long time ago.

http://www.bibleplus.org/creation/evidence.htm

The fact you think creating life is as simple as growing a tomato plant is proof that you really know nothing about what you are talking about. What exactly is your point anyway? That God exists because humans have yet to create life?

I think you just love to simplify things to fit your own twisted views.

Originally posted by Magee
The fact you think creating life is as simple as growing a tomato plant is proof that you really know nothing about what you are talking about. What exactly is your point anyway? That God exists because humans have yet to create life?

I think you just love to simplify things to fit your own twisted views.

What twisted views? Evolution is not possible based on all of the information that we have gathered hitherto.

Guess JIA is ignoring me, how very nice of him. OH well 😐

Originally posted by JesusIsAlive
What twisted views? Evolution is not possible based on all of the information that we have gathered hitherto.
😆 You are funny.

False dilemmas for 200, Alex.

Re: Re: Re: Is Life Just Chemistry?

Originally posted by JesusIsAlive
With all of our superb technology, knowledge, skill, ingenuity, and education scientists (plural which means that many heads are better than one) should be able to [B]at least (at the very minimum) duplicate (deliberately) what scientists believe that random, chance occurrence did by fortuitous happenstance right? What is the hold up? Why should it take billions of years to create life with our smarts, technology, supercomputers, etc. In fact, which part evolved first the chicken or the egg--oops, I mean the brain or the foot? Why don't scientists simply make a toe? That's all, they don't have to make a brain, just create a big toe, and I'll be satisfied. [/B]

Ever heard of a pacemaker?

Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Is Life Just Chemistry?

Originally posted by JesusIsAlive
http://nwcreation.net/articles/howlifebegin.html(the answer to your question Alliance can be found in this link)

I can't argue with a webpage. Especially one riddled with factual innacuracies. If you want me to respond, write a post (not copy-paste a webpage)

Also: tell me this: If I know nothing of Christianity, would you listen to me if I told you how to be a good Christian?

Originally posted by JesusIsAlive
http://nwcreation.net/articles/howlifebegin.html(the answer to your question Alliance can be found in this link)
Read the link, not impressed and see many holes in the logic. You also keep posting links saying that they can figure it out and the odds of it happening are astronomical, but the links that you keep posting and the research that they are using to support it are from books that were published 10 to 20 years ago which means the research that in it is even older than that. Do you understand the advancements in science that has happened since then and new breakthroughs in biology and our understanding? Back when these books were published they barely had an understanding of DNA much less mapped it. Bio-engineering is only in its infant stage, I have no doubt within my life time and definitely within yours that they will indeed reproduce life but you will still doubt that as well.

Yes but until we create a human from nothingness the hardcore christians will not be happy chappys.