Originally posted by Gideon
No, what was stupid were those who tried to portray the older Sith as the 'superior' or stronger Sith, when in reality, the newer Sith were vastly more effective.
They portrayed them as superior in personal power, which is pretty clear. The newer sith were indeed more effective, but not on the power level of the ancient sith, save for Palpatine.
Originally posted by Darth Sexy
They portrayed them as superior in personal power, which is pretty clear. The newer sith were indeed more effective, but not on the power level of the ancient sith, save for Palpatine.
Which, once again, to be more effective means that you are better than the old model, and you're better for a reason. To have the Ancient Sith superior than the newer Sith is a bit ridiculous, since Sith crave more power and dominance - why not use that power to achieve dominance?
Ragnos unified the Sith Empire, and still he did not conquer the Republic or the Jedi. Yet, as the PT showed us all, it was possible.
"If you were to face an ancient Sith lord in combat, you would learn that we are as children playing with toys compared to the prowess of the ancient masters."
Thats Kreia's Exact Quote and Dont get so heated up Gideon...
*Uses Force Lightning to fry Gideon*
*LAUGHS DARKLY*
Anyway i know Kreia's Information is not all the time accurate OH YEA anyway i was mistaken it was Tulak Hord she was talking about...ANYWAY my point is the Ancient Sith were VERY POWERFUL
"If you were to face an ancient Sith lord in combat, you would learn that we are as children playing with toys compared to the prowess of the ancient masters."
That was a quote made by a fallible character. No one is denying that the Ancient Sith were "very powerful", but Kreia's quote - by itself - does not function as irrevocable fact that Ragnos is better than Yoda. You have to prove it.
Thats Kreia's Exact Quote and Dont get so heated up Gideon...
Huh?
I'm not heated up. I'm simply telling you that your reasoning isn't working.
Anyway i know Kreia's Information is not all the time accurate OH YEA anyway i was mistaken it was Tulak Hord she was talking about...ANYWAY my point is the Ancient Sith were VERY POWERFUL
So, you even got the Sith in question wrong. Great.
Originally posted by Darth Sexy
What are we discussing Escape, power or achievements? Because you can technically look at this like Underworld. The first ones were the most powerful ones, the later ones accomplished more. With the exception of Palpatine of course, who completely destroys that line of thought.
How is this like Underworld?
Originally posted by Gideon
How is this like Underworld?
As he said: The first ones are the most powerful people in terms of personal abilities / power. The people that came later archieved more by doing what they did. I guess he basically wanted to tell you that "archievements" aren't equal to "power".
It still might be the case that Ragnos, in terms of combat skill and personal power (meaning force abilities) is still above RotS Sidious, because the Sith did work differently in Ragnos age than they did in Sidious time. Based on this their might be the chance that Ragnos would beat Yoda.
If you read through "Path of Destruction" it's pretty obvious that the Jedi managed to destroy almost all ancient Sith Lore while Bane found one of the last sources containing some of that (Revan's holocron) but didn't get all included in it. And also Revan didn't know everything the ancient Sith did know.
So Ragnos might have abilities that can pretty well enough to defeat Yoda but we'll never now that.
Originally posted by Darth Sexy
The orignal lycans and vampires were the strongest, while the later lycans and vampires accomplished more. Notice how I said although its pretty similiar, Palpatine debunks that theory.
Actually, that's not exactly the same at all.
The 'original Lycans and vampires' were stronger because they were directly spawned from the Corvinus plague, Marcus and William. And Alexander was more powerful than all of them because the plague first manifested itself with him and his genetic structure. But Underworld never established that "older" = "better", only that the older werewolves were less human and more savage. In fact, Lucian, who is vastly younger than any Elder or William was said to be "the most feared Lycan to ever rule the horde" or some such.
Amelia, one of the three vampire Elders, got annihilated on board her train, when realistically, if you were correct, she should be able to own Lycans pretty easily. Viktor kicked Lycan ass - none of them were a match for him.
In fact, we have no real evidence that Marcus is more powerful than Viktor, physically, in a strictly vampiric sense (before he became a hybrid), since Viktor kicked Michael's ass all up and down Lucian's lair, whilst simultaneously dealing with Selene, yet Marcus was unable to do that a few hours later - with the help of his Hybrid abilities.
Furthermore, newer Lycans improved their powers to the point that they could revert to human form. They had a much greater control and mastery over it. And the latest vampires only had greater technology.
And even if you were right, this is genetics. The Force /= genetic strains.