Jaime Braddock vs Extant

Originally posted by Galan007
Unless he warped past events through the WHR, then it's not a solid time feat imo.

The Nexus is connected to the PAST, Present and Future of every Reality, in order for you to affect the Past, you must travel back in time to a different Reality,

for example one of the Past Realities of the 616 Universe,

is Reality/Universe 4321 (Akhenaten's TImeline) 1331

If the Nexus encompasses the Past, Present and Future of all the Realities in the Multiverse, then by definition you can travel to the Past, Present or Future of any Reality, thus if you can manipulate a Nexus, you can control the Past, Present and Future of any Reality.

And this would give you control over Time, aswell as Space.

Which is why Ereshkigal was going to destroy the Multiverse through a Nexus before LT interfered.

Originally posted by Mr Master
The Nexus is connected to the PAST, Present and Future of every Reality, in order for you to affect the Past, you must travel back in time to a different Reality,

for example one of the Past Realities of the 616 Universe,

is Reality/Universe 4321 (Akhenaten's TImeline) 1331

If the Nexus encompasses the Past, Present and Future of all the Realities in the Multiverse, then by definition you can travel to the Past, Present or Future of any Reality, thus if you can manipulate a Nexus, you can control the Past, Present and Future of any Reality.

And this would give you control over Time, aswell as Space.

Which is why Ereshkigal was going to destroy the Multiverse through a Nexus before LT interfered.

Originally posted by Galan007
Show me proof that Jamie himself has manipulated the past.

Rachel lloking at Past selves of her mom:

Jamie Braddock with total control of the WHR (a Nexus of Realities)

Jamie just turned a Nexus of Realities into some crystal like object.

Again, and you're ignoring this,

Ereshkigal was going to destroy the Multiverse through the Quasar Nexus.

The Goblin Queen was going to destroy the Omniverse through the Havok Nexus.

This is why Havok is uber rediculous, because he is the Nexus of All Realities now.

If Jamie can warp that Nexus, then Jamie has power over those UniverseS that Nexus encompasses, Past, Present and Future.

Originally posted by Mr Master
Rachel lloking at Past selves of her mom:

Jamie Braddock with total control of the WHR (a Nexus of Realities)

Jamie just turned a Nexus of Realities into some crystal like object.

Again, and you're ignoring this,

Ereshkigal was going to destroy the Multiverse through the Quasar Nexus.

The Goblin Queen was going to destroy the Omniverse through the Havok Nexus.

This is why Havok is uber rediculous, because he is the Nexus of All Realities now.

If Jamie can warp that Nexus, then Jamie has power over those UniverseS that Nexus encompasses, Past, Present and Future.

What I don't see is anything on panel telling/showing me this.

Extant has solid time manip feats..... From what I've seen, Jamie doesn't.

Originally posted by Galan007
All I see are your claims that Jamie should be able to, or can alter the past.

What I don't see is anything on panel telling/showing me this.

Extant has solid time manip feats..... From what I've seen, Jamie doesn't.

I just showed you Jamie Warping a Nexus of Realities,

One last time and I'm done,

A Nexus of Realities is connected to ALL the TIMELINES if every Reality.

Timelines are the Past, Present and Future of Realities,
which in tern become Realities unto themselves.

If you can Warp/Control a Nexus like Jamie did,
then you can Warp/Control ALL the Realities and Timelines tied to that Nexus.

This is how and why the Goblin Queen was going to destroy the Omniverse:

"The Beyonder Walks amongst us ... He will Destroy Everything"

"The MultiverseS ... the Past ..the Present ... the Yet to Be ... will ALL be Destroyed"

Through a Nexus

I think I cleared it up now. 🙂

Originally posted by Mr Master
I just showed you Jamie Warping a Nexus of Realities,

One last time and I'm done,

A Nexus of Realities is connected to ALL the TIMELINES if every Reality.

[B]Timelines are the Past, Present and Future of Realities,
which in tern become Realities unto themselves.

If you can Warp/Control a Nexus like Jamie did,
then you can Warp/Control ALL the Realities and Timelines tied to that Nexus.

This is how and why the Goblin Queen was going to destroy the Omniverse:

"The Beyonder Walks amongst us ... He will Destroy Everything"

"The MultiverseS ... the Past ..the Present ... the Yet to Be ... will ALL be Destroyed"

Through a Nexus.

I think I cleared it up now. 🙂 [/B]

Did you know he was actually able to retcon events through physical force?

Do you know how he accomplished this?

Because he was in a place where the walls of reality could be punched, and through physical force he broke them down, thus altering reality in DC.

It's not just like SBP could throw punches into thin air and cause retcons whenever he wished lol.

Seems like Jamie is in the same boat...

IF in fact Jamie did alter time, it seems that it's mainly because he was in a place where this could be directly accomplished, [the WHR].

Do you have anything to suggest that Jamie can alter time outside of a Nexus point between all realities?

This clarifies it:

This is the ultimate Nexus, the Nexus of All Realities (Omniverse)

"The Nexus of Realities is not just a place ... it is a Force of Nature ...

the Fabric of that which binds ALL Reality together ...

the Nexus transported itself to your body"

The one Jamie Warped is a Multiversal Nexus,

but they deliver the same effect,

control the Nexus, control Reality in all it's forms, Past, Present and Future.

Originally posted by Galan007
This reminds me of Superboy Prime.

Did you know he was actually able to retcon events through physical force?

Do you know how he accomplished this?

Because he was in a place where the walls of reality could be punched, and through physical force he broke them down, thus altering reality in DC.

It's not just like SBP could throw punches into thin air and cause retcons whenever he wished lol.

Seems like Jamie is in the same boat...

IF in fact Jamie did alter time, it seems that it's mainly because he was in a place where this could be directly accomplished, [the WHR].

Do you have anything to suggest that Jamie can alter time outside of a Nexus point between all realities?

UM I hate to correct. SBP actually could retcon with just his fist. He did it to beast boy in the titans book.

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
UM I hate to correct. SBP actually could retcon with just his fist. He did it to beast boy in the titans book.

Originally posted by Galan007
This reminds me of Superboy Prime.

Did you know he was actually able to retcon events through physical force?

Do you know how he accomplished this?

Because he was in a place where the walls of reality could be punched, and through physical force, he broke them down, thus altering the DC reality.

It's not just like SBP could throw punches into thin air and cause retcons lol.

Seems that IF Jamie did alter time, it was mainly because he was in a place where this could be directly accomplished, [the WHR].

I disagree.

What Jamie did is far beyond dimension hoping or breaking walls between dimensions.

Jamie Warped that entire Dimension that spans and connects the Multiverse.

Never been done before, well actually Havok became One with the Nexus of All Realities,

Havok is a God now, he can sunder the Omniverse with a thought.

Originally posted by Galan007
Do you have anything to suggest that Jamie can alter time outside of a Nexus point between all realities?

He's created UniverseS before,

he would have to be able to create the Concept of Time amongst other things.

This is why Time based attacks are meaningless,

Jamie can create the Concept of Time itself. 🙂

Originally posted by Mr Master
He's created UniverseS before,

he would have to be able to create the Concept of Time amongst other things.

This is why Time based attacks are meaningless,

Jamie can create the Concept of Time itself. 🙂

Originally posted by Galan007
Creating a new Universe wouldn't require you to be able to manipulate the past.

So a being that can create the Concept of Time,

can't time travel? 😕

Originally posted by Galan007
I'm talking about his larger scale retcons..... For this he needed to be in a place where reality itself could be punched.

Originally posted by Mr Master
So a being that can create the Concept of Time,

can't time travel? 😕

Who says that a universe has to have time in it?

Originally posted by Mr Master
So a being that can create the Concept of Time,

can't time travel? 😕

And even then, time would only be "created" from the present, and would move forward accordingly.

This doesn't really equate to past-tense time alteration.

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
Who says that a universe has to have time in it?

The one Jamie created specifically,

had Time. 🙂

Originally posted by Galan007
You would only be "creating" time if you made a Universe in a place where there was formerly no time to speak of...

?

Jamie created that Universe and everything in it, from scratch,

Originally posted by Galan007
And even then, time would only be "created" from the present, and would move forward accordingly.

This doesn't really equate to past-tense time alteration.

🙄

I think we'll stop here.

Jamie can Warp a Nexus of Realities, (All the Timelines in the Multiverse, Past, Present, Future)

Jamie creates UniverseS with the Concept of Time from scratch,

Jamie controls the quantum strings that make everything up,
in the Physical, Subconcious and Astral Planes.

Jamie possibly resurrected one of the mighiest beings in the Omniverse (Japsers 616)

But he probably can't do what Bishop can. oooh

Originally posted by Mr Master
I think we'll stop here.

Jamie can Warp a Nexus of Realities, (All the Timelines in the Multiverse, Past, Present, Future)

Jamie creates UniverseS with the Concept of Time from scratch,

Jamie controls the quantum strings that make everything up,
in the Physical, Subconcious and Astral Planes.

Unless I see a scan, or even a mention of Jamie altering past events,

I won't just assume he can, simply because you think it's in his power-set to do so. 😬

And again,

Show me evidence of Jamie altering time outside of a friggin reality junction point. 🙄

Originally posted by Galan007
Unless I see a scan, or even a mention of Jamie altering past events,

I won't just assume he can, simply because you think it's in his power-set to do so.

I don't think he can, I know he can.

I'll post the scan, then move on,

it doesn't seem like this Extant can do anything else but time travel,

with that out of picture, this goes nowhere quick.

Originally posted by Galan007
Show me evidence of Jamie altering time outside of a friggin reality junction point.

I see your confusion,

you think that anyone that steps into a Nexus can alter the Reality within?

Jamie did it, because Jamie has the Power to do so, not because he was in the Nexus.

Originally posted by Mr Master
it doesn't seem like this Extant can do anything else but time travel

Everything you described Jamie doing, Extant has done as well.

I was simply debating one advantage I feel Extant may have over Jamie... 🙂

Originally posted by Mr Master
you think that anyone that steps into a Nexus can alter the Reality within?

Jamie did it, because Jamis has the Power to do so, not because he was in the Nexus.

Ohh well, moving on...

For arguments sake, I'll call this a stalemate. 🙂