Originally posted by Robtard
The word(s) itself is just a word, the intent behind it what is the issue. Why can't you understand that.
Probably for the same reason that you still can't understand that the malintent behind the slur "cracker" is not as offensive as the malintent behind the word "n*gger".
Ok, sure. Both are demeaning. Both are equal in that they both aim to demean. That i understand and agree upon with you but lets, for a sec, put aside this fact and ask how important is that fact compared to the profundity of the meaning of the words. Meaning the depth of pain caused by the word. Remember, beside the fact that both are demeaning.
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Originally posted by FistOfThe North
And that may've been why i didn't want to ask about it at first but it was still responded to. But i don't think it's really that weak.Yea, both words are intended to hurt, but c'mon. Cracker in no way is as impactful as the word n*gger is.
I could go out in the street right now and casually, among a diverse people, say/chant the word cracker, repeatedly and it wouldn't even be a bother. I think if a Black person chanted it out there like that, there's a very good chance that probably nothing will happen. Even if the guy was a twerp that even the wind can blow over. Now. As a White guy, go out among the same diverse crowd (Whites included) and chant "n*gger" repeatedly, and at the minimum, guaranteed, you'd quickly get an unfavorable response or reaction. Some Whites may even look at you disgustingly.
Now why is that...?
Because some people like to give value to words, more importantly folks like to play victims and point fingers!
Originally posted by FistOfThe North
Stay proud, brother.I only wish I was that strong. I mean, i don't think i can ever be called a racist slur and react or respond happily or become flattered by it or just brush it off. And i'm not trying to sound like a sissy but i dunno, it hurts inside, too much, to just say just "and?" or "so what?" case that's not the case... It's not. With me it's more like "wtf why?"
I dunno. I just wanna be looked at as normal that's it cause it' what i am. I'm more than the skin color i am.
Lol yeah but the racist term cracker isn't supposed to incite the same emotional response, lol.
Originally posted by Robtard
We can agree that on the surface, they're just words? But, they are both often used to demean a person. So what's the difference? Think before you knee-jerk response.
come on. do better than that. words are far more than their surface and more than their intent; one must also consider how they are received, which is the more pertinent issue in this case. words are a two way street, and i have never met anybody offended by the term "cracker", unless they were just being douche-y. illogical though it may be, you have to consider the way some words mean immeasurably more than others.
words are not only sounds to be digested, they are the primary medium by which a person connects to the outside world. they have a unique weight and gravity.
by your logic, jerry spinelli's "maniac magee" is qualitatively the same as shakespear's "hamlet", because they are both collections of words describing a tragic character.
Re: I was called a n*gger this morning by a White man, in the U.S. in 2007, for no reason
Originally posted by FistOfThe North
Yup. I'm just a normal guy here Boston, I hopped on the half-empty train headed for class and while on standing, moments later, all while minding my own business, with my bookbag, hands in my pocket, looking at and reading an ad with flyers attached to it, this burly White guy, who must've been in his mid-40's with a Red Sox cap on, starts mumbling, while every so often taking gulps of his ginger-ale soda, says "fcukin' n*gg*r." I turned my head to look at him, then look around, then back at him, with one raised eyebrow, unsure if that's what he really said and so he took another slow swig of his drink while looking at me then looking away; put his drink down and said "you heard what i said, what are you gonna do about it?" while still looking away. He then continued to mumble away at something else; never establishing eye contact with me again.As the train pulled-up at my stop, i stood in front of the train doors, blood boiling, pissed as fcuk, but not showing it, I'm ready to get off and i hear a voice tell from the side saying, "You were the bigger man." I turned and saw some Spanish guy, telling me this, and i said, "you noticed?" and he said "yea, wow" then I said "it's ok" when it fckin' wasn't. We got off the train and he goes "you did the right thing by ignoring that a-hole" And i'm like, in my mind, "man, leave me the fcuk alone, man." while telling him not to worry about it. We then went our own separate ways.
I'll admit, i wasn't myself coming in. I'm not racist against Whites but every White person I've seen so far today had a bullseye on their face that i wanted to punch a bloody hole through. I guess i'm ok now..I still don't think all Whites are racist, but why is this stuff still going on? Why is this stuff still happening to me...in 2007, in the U.S. I mean, I didn't do anything to that guy.
Sucks, doesn't it? To be called an insulting name. It pisses you off, doesn't it? But deciding all white people are responsible for this jerks actions isn't any different than what he did. However, it sounds to me like he had some mental issues. There are people like that everywhere, it's better to just feel sorry for them.
Originally posted by Soleran
Because some people like to give value to words, more importantly folks like to play victims and point fingers!Lol yeah but the racist term cracker isn't supposed to incite the same emotional response, lol.
Alright Soleran. So tell me. How should I or a normal person react or respond to a White person whom, out the blue, calls me a n*gger, without feeling that humiliating and stinging pain my chest. Ignoring it is so undignifying to me. I hate that I ignored him..
I was angry earlier because i didn't do anything at all about the situation. I hated how i felt inside cause the feeling sucked and it happened to me the way it did and i walked away with wounded unnecessarily while he easily got away with it. Ignoring it made the feeling worse. So scratch that out.
Re: Re: I was called a n*gger this morning by a White man, in the U.S. in 2007, for no reason
Originally posted by Lord Urizen
He's probably some poor drunken bum who has nothing going for him.(like Feceman) Don't let it bother you, have you no reason to apologize for who you are.I've been "f*ggot" hundreds of times, as well as "sp*c" and "fkn guido"....but i dont let it bother me, in fact I get flattered now, because I am proud to be Gay, Hispanic, and Italian.
Be proud of who you are, some idiot calls you a n*gger, just say "yeah, and what"
Show him that it bothers you, and it makes his day.
Re: I was called a n*gger this morning by a White man, in the U.S. in 2007, for no re
Originally posted by FistOfThe North
Yup. I'm just a normal guy here Boston, I hopped on the half-empty train headed for class and while on standing, moments later, all while minding my own business, with my bookbag, hands in my pocket, looking at and reading an ad with flyers attached to it, this burly White guy, who must've been in his mid-40's with a Red Sox cap on, starts mumbling, while every so often taking gulps of his ginger-ale soda, says "fcukin' n*gg*r." I turned my head to look at him, then look around, then back at him, with one raised eyebrow, unsure if that's what he really said and so he took another slow swig of his drink while looking at me then looking away; put his drink down and said "you heard what i said, what are you gonna do about it?" while still looking away. He then continued to mumble away at something else; never establishing eye contact with me again.As the train pulled-up at my stop, i stood in front of the train doors, blood boiling, pissed as fcuk, but not showing it, I'm ready to get off and i hear a voice tell from the side saying, "You were the bigger man." I turned and saw some Spanish guy, telling me this, and i said, "you noticed?" and he said "yea, wow" then I said "it's ok" when it fckin' wasn't. We got off the train and he goes "you did the right thing by ignoring that a-hole" And i'm like, in my mind, "man, leave me the fcuk alone, man." while telling him not to worry about it. We then went our own separate ways.
I'll admit, i wasn't myself coming in. I'm not racist against Whites but every White person I've seen so far today had a bullseye on their face that i wanted to punch a bloody hole through. I guess i'm ok now..I still don't think all Whites are racist, but why is this stuff still going on? Why is this stuff still happening to me...in 2007, in the U.S. I mean, I didn't do anything to that guy.
Nigga means ignorant, so don't be offended no matter how it was used. Everyone is a nigga.
Originally posted by manorastroman
come on. do better than that. words are far more than their surface and more than their intent; one must also consider how they are received, which is the more pertinent issue in this case. words are a two way street, and i have never met anybody offended by the term "cracker", unless they were just being douche-y. illogical though it may be, you have to consider the way some words mean immeasurably more than others.words are not only sounds to be digested, they are the primary medium by which a person connects to the outside world. they have a unique weight and gravity.
by your logic, jerry spinelli's "maniac magee" is qualitatively the same as shakespear's "hamlet", because they are both collections of words describing a tragic character.
No need for better, the logic is sound...
Words are just words. If not, then a black person should be just as equally offended when another black person calls them "n!gger" if the word has meaning/carries the weight and not the intent behind it. No?
As far as your comparison, that would be subjective. Someone may actually be moved more by Maniac Magee... I for one prefer Hamlet.
Originally posted by FistOfThe North
Alright Soleran. So tell me. How should I or a normal person react or respond to a White person whom, out the blue, calls me a n*gger, without feeling that humiliating and stinging pain my chest. Ignoring it is so undignifying to me. I hate that I ignored him..I was angry earlier because i didn't do anything at all about the situation. I hated how i felt inside cause the feeling sucked and it happened to me the way it did and i walked away with wounded unnecessarily while he easily got away with it. Ignoring it made the feeling worse. So scratch that out.
To be honest, if anybody of any race calls me a cracker or a honkey, and it has happened, I just find it a bit embarassing. They clearly think those words are able to offend me.
If you bear in mind that the people calling you a "n*gger" are dumb idiots who either don't know any better or just aren't worth the time, it's easy to ignore. Obviously if people are so in your face with it, intrusive, then it's harder, but someone shouting it out, I'd just have walked on.
The very fact that he said "Whatcha gonna do about it?" implies he wanted a reaction.
-AC
Originally posted by FistOfThe North
Alright Soleran. So tell me. How should I or a normal person react or respond to a White person whom, out the blue, calls me a n*gger, without feeling that humiliating and stinging pain my chest. Ignoring it is so undignifying to me. I hate that I ignored him..I was angry earlier because i didn't do anything at all about the situation. I hated how i felt inside cause the feeling sucked and it happened to me the way it did and i walked away with wounded unnecessarily while he easily got away with it. Ignoring it made the feeling worse. So scratch that out.
How you react and the meaning you give that word is entirely up to you. I can tell you I would learn to associate different values to the word *igger if I was you. So many folks today are brainwashed on the value of that word and more specifically the value of that word when spoken by the "white" race.
Frankly I find it more insulting when someone looks to "weigh" certain discriminitory words and say one is better then the other or less hurtful, when obviously the only judge of that is the person being called said slight.
Originally posted by Robtard
No need for better, the logic is sound...Words are just words. If not, then a black person should be just as equally offended when another black person calls them "n!gger" if the word has meaning/carries the weight and not the intent behind it. No?
Originally posted by manorastroman
one must also consider how they are received, which is the more pertinent issue in this case. words are a two way street, and i have never met anybody offended by the term "cracker", unless they were just being douche-y.
Originally posted by Robtard
As far as your comparison, that would be subjective. Someone may actually be moved more by Maniac Magee... I for one prefer Hamlet.
not the subjectivity thing again. somebody being moved more by maniac magee says MUCH more about the person in question than it does about maniac magee.
Racial tension is hilarious.
There's a black guy I spar with every week or so, and we'll both go to a mall or something and play up the whole "every white hates blacks, every black hates whites" thing.
In one incident, he was getting a drink from one of the places in the food court, and I stood about 10 feet away from him and yelled, "you f*cking n*igger!!" He dropped his drink, walked over to me and yelled, "you cracka-ass honkey!" Now, we're both pretty big guys, he's built like a 6' 2" barrel, and I'm the same height, and was 215 at the time. We both stared each other down and got all in each others face, and everyone in the courtyard was dead quiet.
People had stopped talking to each other and everyone was looking, and one of the people at the Orange Juilius was calling security saying that "we have two potentially armed troublemakers."
We both stared at each other for a little while longer, looking as pissed as possible, then both broke out laughing our asses off. Everyone was so confused they didn't know what to do, and we just sat down laughing and started eating our food.