Freedon Nadd vs Darth Sidious

Originally posted by Lightsnake
Nai, Nadd is definitely classified as a Sith Lord now...in fact, I think he's considering the DLOTS after Nadd's death...

Erm...No. Not really.
Nadd didn't assume the title Dark Lord of the Sith because there was another Dark Lord alive somewhere else. He didn't even claim the things that belonged to Sadow but instead left all on Yavin 4 and went to conquer Onderon. He also didn't consider Sadow to be the Dark Lord of the Sith since he mentions him as "Sith Lord" only when referring to him by a title. And he also didn't pass that title to his descendants.

Technically that doesn't even matter. Just because Sidious is the most powerful it doesn't necessarily mean that he will certainly defeat every other Sith Lord prior to him in a direct confrontation. Especially since most of them with a few exceptions seem to have been far more martial than him - more focused on direct confrontation and force powers that could be used in a direct confrontation. He's at least not the muscle-packed guy that would enter combat with a short lightsaber and a blaster which Nadd, according to KotoR (granted...doesn't have to be canon) did.

I'm hating the EU more and more. Some EU is actually good but with all this Sith/Dark Jedi crap...yeah.

Palpatine WTFpwns any and all Sith/Dark Jedi. End of debate.

Originally posted by Borbarad
Erm...No. Not really.
Nadd didn't assume the title Dark Lord of the Sith because there was another Dark Lord alive somewhere else. He didn't even claim the things that belonged to Sadow but instead left all on Yavin 4 and went to conquer Onderon. He also didn't consider Sadow to be the Dark Lord of the Sith since he mentions him as "Sith Lord" only when referring to him by a title. And he also didn't pass that title to his descendants.

Technically that doesn't even matter. Just because Sidious is the most powerful it doesn't necessarily mean that he will certainly defeat every other Sith Lord prior to him in a direct confrontation. Especially since most of them with a few exceptions seem to have been far more martial than him - more focused on direct confrontation and force powers that could be used in a direct confrontation. He's at least not the muscle-packed guy that would enter combat with a short lightsaber and a blaster which Nadd, according to KotoR (granted...doesn't have to be canon) did.

Nai, with Sidious' offense, it's more than likely he will defeat any other sith lord. Also, I don't know where you are geting your sources, but there was no other DLOTS. The Sith were rendered extinct right after the hyperspace war.

Originally posted by Borbarad
Erm...No. Not really.
Nadd didn't assume the title Dark Lord of the Sith because there was another Dark Lord alive somewhere else. He didn't even claim the things that belonged to Sadow but instead left all on Yavin 4 and went to conquer Onderon. He also didn't consider Sadow to be the Dark Lord of the Sith since he mentions him as "Sith Lord" only when referring to him by a title. And he also didn't pass that title to his descendants.

Technically that doesn't even matter. Just because Sidious is the most powerful it doesn't necessarily mean that he will certainly defeat every other Sith Lord prior to him in a direct confrontation. Especially since most of them with a few exceptions seem to have been far more martial than him - more focused on direct confrontation and force powers that could be used in a direct confrontation. He's at least not the muscle-packed guy that would enter combat with a short lightsaber and a blaster which Nadd, according to KotoR (granted...doesn't have to be canon) did.

Welcome to the wonderful world of retcons....turns out that Nadd did indeed become the DLOTS (He's mentioned with the exact classification of a Sith Lord and having taken the title) after Naga's death.

I think Nadd took all he could carry, too.

And that blaster and saber from Nadd mean really little....I mean, honestly, 'has slain more Jedi than any lightsaber?' During the fifty years he was on a backwater planet that no Jedi discovered until a few centuries later?

As for Palpatine, while he doesn't favor outright confrontation, he has amazingly formidable force powers and is certainly no fighting slouch as he did show a few times-when the only people to really take you on are two of the best fighters ever, not really a blotch on your record.'

Lucas even said: To fight Palpatine, you need to be Mace or Yoda

Or Vader from behind.

Originally posted by ESB -1138
Or Vader from behind.

I resisted doing a Todd joke there...

Freedon Nadd wins since he had knowledge of all Jedi and Sith powers,and some even lost that not even Palpatine could not get them.

He has an orbalisk armor,yet it prevents stealth,but it is impenetrable to a lightsaber strike and it auguments his resistance to exhaustion,it enhances his physical strength(without needing to do that with the Force like Sidious)

As to the power of Force storm,yes it is a possibily he can do it...

A novel with Freedon Nadd would be great and would tell us many things about him and likely the DarkStaff too. I don't know exactly when the DarkStaff was made. It was before 3640 BBY because the Sith Empire had just discovered it that year. Meaning that it belongs to an ancient Sith. My best guess is that it was made by someone to win the war against the Republic. Palpatine decimated an entire star fleet in just a handful of seconds and the ability can destroy the surface of worlds. The weapon would be invaluable in the war effort.

But in my option Freedon Nadd. Vitiate knew about the DarkStaff as he expended effort to get it; which, in my option, means that the weapon was made sometime during the hyperspace wars.

However it should be noted that Freedon Nadd must know about the Force storm. As stated in the Tales of the Jedi companion, Nadd had knowledge of every then current technique, which would include Force storm. He probably couldn't handle the ability, which is backed up by an interview the main writer; who said that Exar Kun,Ulic-Qel-Droma,Naga Sadow, maybe Freedon Nadd(we know a few things about him) and were all "firmly below Palpatine". It wasn't until Palpatine was at his best that he could fully control his Force storms remotely. Freedon Nadd probably would have required a much bigger time in performing the power while in a battle so he went for the next best thing, DarkStaff that does roughly the same thing.

Originally posted by Freedon Nadd
Freedon Nadd wins.

LOL

Freedon Nadd wins

lol

since he had knowledge of all Jedi and Sith powers,

The same could be said for Palpatine.

and some even lost that not even Palpatine could not get them.

And conversely, Palpatine has access to the plethora of powers that were developed after Nadd's death.

He has an orbalisk armor,

Arguably.

but it is impenetrable to a lightsaber strike

And is vulnerable to sufficiently powerful Force Lightning.

and it augments him

It's stated that Nadd was only partially successful in harnessing the power of the Orbalisks, though.

As to the power of Force storm,yes it is a possibily he can do it...

But there's no real reason to assume that, is there?

A novel with Freedon Nadd would tell us many things about him

Duh?

and likely the DarkStaff too.

Huh? Freedon Nadd had nothing to do with the DarkStaff.

He probably couldn't handle the ability, which is backed up by an interview the main writer; who said that Exar Kun,Ulic-Qel-Droma,Naga Sadow, maybe Freedon Nadd(we know a few things about him) and were all "firmly below Palpatine".

Exactly, so what are you even arguing?

Originally posted by NewGuy01
lol

The same could be said for Palpatine.

And conversely, Palpatine has access to the plethora of powers that were developed after Nadd's death.

Arguably.

And is vulnerable to sufficiently powerful Force Lightning.

It's stated that Nadd was only partially successful in harnessing the power of the Orbalisks, though.

But there's no real reason to assume that, is there?

Duh?

Huh? Freedon Nadd had nothing to do with the DarkStaff.

Exactly, so what are you even arguing?

Because we know a few things about him,that's why,and would be a chidlishness to below him Palpatine.

About Palpatine it doesn't tell us specifically that he mastered the dark side completely,it just said that:

"Palpatine has spent decades studying the most arcane and esoteric Jedi disciplines. It is believed that he has mastered nearly all the known powers, previously unknown powers, and devises new ones at his pleasure."
--Taken from Dark Empire Sourcebook

So it is believed,just as speculated synonim,and everyone is free to believe what they want.

Until to Freedon Nadd it tell us firmly that he has mastered the dark side and had knowledge of ancient lost teachings,and also he was able to use the powers of the "light side".

Also the only source that states that Sidious "was flickering in and out of existence",was in the ROTS novelisation,which I don't give a damn about it.

And by the way,neither of them would risk to conjure a Force storm,because they would both die if they conjured a wormhole in a straight combat.

What makes you think that Freedon Nadd couldn't repel Sidious' lightning...?

Sidious' impressive feat with lightning as far as I recall was used only on average enemies,such as soldiers,guardians...etc... Maybe one or three of his Prophets,but they didn't even dare to defy their sovereign ruler.

I would say it is a draw because we know less about Freedon Nadd. Because we have vague infos about him,and we can only trigger assumptions.

That's available for those who say Freedon Nadd wins and for those who claim Darth Sidious wins,just because Lucas said so.

LOL being able to use the light side doesn't put a sith above Sidious automatically and Sidious doesn't have to know every dark side trick to defeat Nadd.

everyone is free to believe what they want.

lol

And also he was able to use the powers of the "light side".

You just posted this.

"Palpatine has spent decades studying the most arcane and esoteric Jedi disciplines"

Not that it matters in the long run, though.

What makes you think that Freedon Nadd couldn't repel Sidious' lightning...?

What makes you think he could?

That's available for those who say Freedon Nadd wins and for those who claim Darth Sidious wins,just because Lucas said so.

Uh, wut.

Originally posted by Sinious
LOL being able to use the light side doesn't put a sith above Sidious automatically and Sidious doesn't have to know every dark side trick to defeat Nadd.

Talks to guy with a Sidious picture on him...

And yes it does help,because your area of Force power is not restricted,Freedon could use abilities that Sidious does not possesses...

But I say that's a draw because we don't know Nadd enough to permit to say that he wins or loses.

Originally posted by Freedon Nadd
Talks to guy with a Sidious picture on him...

Talks to a guy with a Nadd name on him...

Studying and being able to use Jedi powers,are not the same things.

Learn the make the difference!!!

Originally posted by NewGuy01
Talks to a guy with a Nadd name on him...

I already said it is a draw

Originally posted by Freedon Nadd
Talks to guy with a Sidious picture on him...

The guy I have in my avatar is quite popular and is used by many people. It doesn't necessarily mean that I have a blind bias towards the character where you having the Nadd name is a much more specific interest. I won't hold it against you but bringing this up will only damage your credibility, not mine.

And yes it does help,because your area of Force power is not restricted,Freedon could use abilities that Sidious does not possesses...

But I say that's a draw because we don't know Nadd enough to permit to say that he wins or loses.

Yet Sidious has proven himself to be the ultimate sith in so many ways.

If you think Nadd is an unknown then stop debating about him. But tbh, he isnt a Tulak Hord or Soa. We know enough about him to vaguely place him in the mythos. You're saying that comparing feats is unfair cause we don't have a lot of material about Nadd but Sidious also has superior accolades. Its not even close.

Lol. Sidious kicks Freedon's Nadds.