Iceman and Wolverine vs Cyclops and Colossus

Originally posted by Newjak
So you think Iceman could turn Silver Surfer into water or he could turn Superman into water

Oh wait you guys actually do think that way nevermind 😛

And you don't know Colossus and your overestimating Iceman's abilities as per usual 😄

Silver Surfer DOES have resistance to matter manipulation and Superman arguably does to because he is invulnerable on a cellular level.

Colossus has nothing to suggest resistance to Iceman's tricks. Moisture Inversion is only one of bobby's options, if he could flash freeze the stranger than he could to the same to colossus.

Iceman ftw.

Meh... I don't remember whether 616 Iceman can actually do the moisture inversion thing... but he can just supercool Colossus and then flick him and shatter him to pieces.

Originally posted by Soljer
The Silver Surfer can resist matter manipulation. His powers greatly outstrip those of Iceman.

Superman can resist matter manipulation. People of far greater power than Iceman have tried and failed.

Colossus has never exhibited any sort of resistance or immunity to matter manipulation. I'd kindly ask you not to put words in my mouth, but I'm not in the best of moods.

Thusly; quit acting like such a dipshit.

Thanks.

Fine you think he could do his thing on Hulk and Magneto right 😛

And I'm not putting words into your mouth you said what you said he can do it to all things and matter and everyone I listed has matter 😛

And you would be surprised what Colossus' body can take 313

Originally posted by Newjak
Someone is in a bad mood I take it.

Fine you think he could do his thing on Hulk and Magneto right 😛

And I'm not putting words into your mouth you said what you said he can do it to all things and matter and everyone I listed has matter 😛

And you would be surprised what Colossus' body can take 313

Hulk and Magneto? I'm not sure. I seem to recall the Hulk resisting matter transmutation at some point or another, but maybe that's just the fanboys getting to me.

Magneto? If Erik was unprepared, absolutely.

If Erik was fighting for control, it'd be a bit of a toss up between which of them could overpower the other on the atomic scale.

Finally, I said he could do it to those who are made of matter AND lack any sort of resistance to matter manipulation.

Into which category, Colossus falls squarely.

Originally posted by Soljer
Hulk and Magneto? I'm not sure. I seem to recall the Hulk resisting matter transmutation at some point or another, but maybe that's just the fanboys getting to me.

Magneto? If Erik was unprepared, absolutely.

If Erik was fighting for control, it'd be a bit of a toss up between which of them could overpower the other on the atomic scale.

or Wolverine 313

Originally posted by Newjak
How about Juggernaut or Sasquatch

or Wolverine 313

Juggernaut's protected by magic.

Magic > Science.

Sasquatch? **** if I know, isn't he Canadian? Don't they get some kind of trippy powers in comics? 😛.

Wolverine? (ignoring the canadian joke I just made) Yeah, he'd get turned into vapor.

Originally posted by Soljer

Finally, I said he could do it to those who are made of matter AND lack any sort of resistance to matter manipulation.

Into which category, Colossus falls squarely.

You said Colossus is Matter which is correct

You said he can not resist which is unproven and their is such evidence to suggest he could seeing as you can not even prove Iceman's trick would work on Colossus. 313

Originally posted by Soljer
Juggernaut's protected by magic.

Magic > Science.

Sasquatch? **** if I know, isn't he Canadian? Don't they get some kind of trippy powers in comics? 😛.

Wolverine? (ignoring the canadian joke I just made) Yeah, he'd get turned into vapor.

Originally posted by Newjak
You said he could transmute all matter which you can not prove.

You said Colossus is Matter which is correct

You said he can not resist which is unproven and their is such evidence to suggest he could seeing as you can not even prove Iceman's trick would work on Colossus. 313

There is no evidence to show that Colossus could resist the moisture inversion trick.

What you're saying is "We've never seen Jimmy Olsen FAIL to shatter planets with his bare hands, and render space-time meaningless via sheer intellect...thusly, he MUST be able to."

Logical fallacy.

Team 1

Originally posted by Soljer
There is no evidence to show that Colossus could resist the moisture inversion trick.

What you're saying is "We've never seen Jimmy Olsen FAIL to shatter planets with his bare hands, and render space-time meaningless via sheer intellect...thusly, he MUST be able to."

Logical fallacy.

How many times has Iceman done the Moisture Inversion Trick?

Can you even be sure he can actually transmutate things into water?

Or does he simply just break down the main components of a person which happen to be water?

Can you prove he can do it to non water based objects?

Can you prove that Iceman does this on a regular basis enough to say that you are 100% certain that Iceman can do this to all sentient and non sentient objects he comes across?

I don't think you can and never mind the feats I have for Colossus first prove that Iceman is truely capable and not just some hunch based on a few one time feats 😉

I know Sersi can turn a dog into a chair and perform a blood transfusion through the air... why would Colossus being organic metal do anything to prevent her or any other matter manipulator from affecting him, or Emma Frost in diamond form, or Dust, or Mercury for that matter... 🤨

This reminds me of the whole... "Hulk can pass his hand through Engineer's atomic sieve unaffected thing." ermm

Originally posted by xmarksthespot
I know Sersi can turn a dog into a chair and perform a blood transfusion through the air... why would Colossus being organic metal do anything to prevent her or any other matter manipulator from affecting him, or Emma Frost in diamond form, or Dust, or Mercury for that matter... 🤨

And I have my reasons but now I choose to keep them to myself 😖hifty:

Originally posted by Soljer
Iceman turns any matter into H2O.

Is Colossus Matter? Check.

Does Colossus have any sort of resistance to matter manipulation? Nope.

So, what makes you believe he'd be immune? 😕.

Iceman does not have matter manipulation nor can he manipulate molecules. He can merely absorb heat which would slow down molecules indirectly. Where did he transmute something into water? Can you post a scan that would indicate that he could transmute a person into water?

Originally posted by Rutog98
Iceman does not have matter manipulation nor can he manipulate molecules. He can merely absorb heat which would slow down molecules indirectly.

Because slowing down molecules can turn flesh and bone into water.

Right.

Originally posted by Soljer
There is no evidence to show that Colossus could resist the moisture inversion trick.

What about lack of moisture?

Originally posted by Soljer
Because slowing down molecules can turn flesh and bone into water.

Right.

Seeing as the body is made up of how much percent water it like 60-80% or some high number like that.

Depending on which items he froze there is a good chance that the body would break down into water 😛

Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
What about lack of moisture?

Originally posted by Newjak
Actually it could.

Seeing as the body is made up of how much percent water it like 60-80% or some high number like that.

Depending on which items he froze there is a good chance that the body would break down into water 😛

Uhh...no.

There isn't.

It doesn't matter what temperature you take the human body to. Carbon doesn't just 'decide' to become water.

Originally posted by Soljer
Uhh...no.

There isn't.

It doesn't matter what temperature you take the human body to. Carbon doesn't just 'decide' to become water.

This would include the Skin, Blood, some Muscles, boned.

The other parts would basically just be left behind but the body would turn into water 😛