U.S. Lage Behind World In The Grasp Of Genetics and Evolution?

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U.S. Lage Behind World In The Grasp Of Genetics and Evolution?

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A comparison of peoples' views in 34 countries finds that the United States ranks near the bottom when it comes to public acceptance of evolution. Only Turkey ranked lower.

Among the factors contributing to America's low score are poor understanding of biology, especially genetics, the politicization of science and the literal interpretation of the Bible by a small but vocal group of American Christians, the researchers say.

"American Protestantism is more fundamentalist than anybody except perhaps the Islamic fundamentalist, which is why Turkey and we are so close," said study co-author Jon Miller of Michigan State University.

The researchers combined data from public surveys on evolution collected from 32 European countries, the United States and Japan between 1985 and 2005. Adults in each country were asked whether they thought the statement "Human beings, as we know them, developed from earlier species of animals," was true, false, or if they were unsure.

The study found that over the past 20 years:

The percentage of U.S. adults who accept evolution declined from 45 to 40 percent.
The percentage overtly rejecting evolution declined from 48 to 39 percent, however.
And the percentage of adults who were unsure increased, from 7 to 21 percent.
Of the other countries surveyed, only Turkey ranked lower, with about 25 percent of the population accepting evolution and 75 percent rejecting it. In Iceland, Denmark, Sweden and France, 80 percent or more of adults accepted evolution; in Japan, 78 percent of adults did.

The findings are detailed in the Aug. 11 issue of the journal Science.

Religion belief and evolution

The researchers also compared 10 independent variables-including religious belief, political ideology and understanding of concepts from genetics, or "genetic literacy"-between adults in America and nine European countries to determine whether these factors could predict attitudes toward evolution.

The analysis found that Americans with fundamentalist religious beliefs-defined as belief in substantial divine control and frequent prayer-were more likely to reject evolution than Europeans with similar beliefs. The researchers attribute the discrepancy to differences in how American Christian fundamentalist and other forms of Christianity interpret the Bible.

While American fundamentalists tend to interpret the Bible literally and to view Genesis as a true and accurate account of creation, mainstream Protestants in both the United States and Europe instead treat Genesis as metaphorical, the researchers say.

"Whether it's the Bible or the Koran, there are some people who think it's everything you need to know," Miller said. "Other people say these are very interesting metaphorical stories in that they give us guidance, but they're not science books."

This latter view is also shared by the Catholic Church.

Politics and the Flat Earth

Politics is also contributing to America's widespread confusion about evolution, the researchers say. Major political parties in the United States are more willing to make opposition to evolution a prominent part of their campaigns to garner conservative votes-something that does not happen in Europe or Japan.

Miller says that it makes about as much sense for politicians to oppose evolution in their campaigns as it is for them to advocate that the Earth is flat and promise to pass legislation saying so if elected to office.

"You can pass any law you want but it won't change the shape of the Earth," Miller told LiveScience.

Paul Meyers, a biologist at the University of Minnesota who was not involved in the study, says that what politicians should be doing is saying, 'We ought to defer these questions to qualified authorities and we should have committees of scientists and engineers who we will approach for the right answers."

The researchers also single out the poor grasp of biological concepts, especially genetics, by American adults as an important contributor to the country's low confidence in evolution.

"The more you understand about genetics, the more you understand about the unity of life and the relationship humans have to other forms of life," Miller said.

The current study also analyzed the results from a 10-country survey in which adults were tested with 10 true or false statements about basic concepts from genetics. One of the statements was "All plants and animals have DNA." Americans had a median score of 4. (The correct answer is "yes."😉

Science alone is not enough

But the problem is more than one of education-it goes deeper, and is a function of our country's culture and history, said study co-author Eugenie Scott, director of the National Center for Science Education in California.

"The rejection of evolution is not something that will be solved by throwing science at it," Scott said in a telephone interview.

Myers expressed a similar sentiment. About the recent trial in Dover, Pennsylvania which ruled against intelligent design, Myers said "it was a great victory for our side and it's done a lot to help ensure that we keep religion out of the classroom for a while longer, but it doesn't address the root causes. The creationists are still creationists-they're not going to change because of a court decision."

Scott says one thing that will help is to have Catholics and mainstream Protestants speak up about their theologies' acceptance of evolution.

"There needs to be more addressing of creationism from these more moderate theological perspectives," Scott said. "The professional clergy and theologians whom I know tend to be very reluctant to engage in that type of 'my theology versus your theology' discussion, but it matters because it's having a negative effect on American scientific literacy."

The latest packaging of creationism is intelligent design, or ID, a conjecture which claims that certain features of the natural world are so complex that they could only be the work of a Supreme Being. ID proponents say they do not deny that evolution is true, only that scientists should not rule out the possibility of supernatural intervention.

But scientists do not share doubts over evolution. They argue it is one of the most well tested theories around, supported by countless tests done in many different scientific fields. Scott says promoting uncertainty about evolution is just as bad as denying it outright and that ID and traditional creationism both spread the same message.

"Both are saying that evolution is bad science, that evolution is weak and inadequate science, and that it can't do the job so therefore God did it," she said.

Another view

Bruce Chapman, the president of the Discovery Institute, the primary backer of ID, has a different view of the study.

"A better explanation for the high percentage of doubters of Darwinism in America may be that this country's citizens are famously independent and are not given to being rolled by an ideological elite in any field," Chapman said. "In particular, the growing doubts about Darwinism undoubtedly reflect growing doubts among scientists about Darwinian theory. Over 640 have now signed a public dissent and the number keeps growing."

Nick Matzke of the National Center for Science Education in California points out, however, that most of the scientists Chapman refers to do not do research in the field of evolution.

"If you look at the list, you can't find anybody who's really a significant contributor to the field or anyone who's done recognizable work on evolution," Matzke said.

Scott says the news is not all bad. The number of American adults unsure about the validity of evolution has increased in recent years, from 7 to 21 percent, but growth in this demographic comes at the expense of the other two groups. The percentage of Americans accepting evolution has declined, but so has the percentage of those who overtly reject it.

"I was very surprised to see that. To me that means the glass is half full," Scott said. "That 21 percent we can educate."

Is our country getting dumber?

Yes, The Moon, SUn and all of the stars too

Lol @ article in "Creation and Evolution" thread.

Now this is certainly big news.

Well it kinda does prove that the US is filled with idiots, and Turkey.. Turkey is also filled with idiots.

It also proves that 23% of people in Japan need a better education, because they are idiots. Not to mention that anywhere from 1 to 20% of the people in Denmark, Sweden and France also need better education that stops them from being idiots...

Originally posted by Fishy
Well it kinda does prove that the US is filled with idiots

Hold the front page.

It would be nice to see the population numbers for the countries in question, because I just don't buy that we're that far behind.

Originally posted by Devil King
It would be nice to see the population numbers for the countries in question, because I just don't buy that we're that far behind.

What does the total number matter here? Unless you want to prove that there are more idiots in absolute numbers in the US too? But I'm bored so I looked it up.

Denmark has a population of 5,447,084 meaning at least 4,357,667.2 smart people at most and 1,089,416.8 idiots.

France has a population of 64,102,140 meaning at least 51,281,928 smart people and at most 12,820,428 idiots

Sweden has a population of 9,127,058 meaning at least 7,301,646.4 smart people and at most 1,825,411.6 idiots

Japan has a population of 127,433,494 meaning exactly 99,398,125.32 smart people and 28,035,368.68 idiots,

The latest US estimate is 300,000,000. Meaning 120,000,000 smart people and 180,000,000 idiots.

so, what does it mean for America when in 30 years, China has the most advanced genetics program in the world since their crap with "creationism" is pretty much non existent.

I guess that presumes that you believe the forecasts of China becoming the world's next super power.

Originally posted by inimalist
so, what does it mean for America when in 30 years, China has the most advanced genetics program in the world since their crap with "creationism" is pretty much non existent.

I guess that presumes that you believe the forecasts of China becoming the world's next super power.

Seems very likely that they will be, or do you think the US is going to keep it's title? Not like it matters. Having a country filled with more idiots doesn't automatically make you a country that's overall stupid and weak.

As long as the smart people are really smart, and the US has proven that they have really smart people plenty of times.

You know what's really dumb... Saying "Not believing in Evolution = Stupid Person" as a rule.

Originally posted by Fishy

Denmark has a population of 5,447,084 meaning at least 4,357,667.2 smart people at most and 1,089,416.8 idiots.

France has a population of 64,102,140 meaning at least 51,281,928 smart people and at most 12,820,428 idiots

Sweden has a population of 9,127,058 meaning at least 7,301,646.4 smart people and at most 1,825,411.6 idiots

Japan has a population of 127,433,494 meaning exactly 99,398,125.32 smart people and 28,035,368.68 idiots,

The latest US estimate is 300,000,000. Meaning 120,000,000 smart people and 180,000,000 idiots.

All that proves is that there are a lot of idiots in the entire world. So what's new?

Originally posted by Fishy
Seems very likely that they will be, or do you think the US is going to keep it's title? Not like it matters. Having a country filled with more idiots doesn't automatically make you a country that's overall stupid and weak.

As long as the smart people are really smart, and the US has proven that they have really smart people plenty of times.

During the Cold War, the Soviets rejected genetics as American science, and invented their own science for farmers to use and grow grain with. Needless to say, this lead to major setbacks in Russian science in biology (It was illegal to study genetics much like it is illegal to study stem cells [I know it is more nuanced than that]) and also to major famine.

Its not that there wont be smart people in America, it is that the American smart people may be limited in what they can study and how they are allowed to apply it to people.

And, though completely off topic, I think India is much more aptly suited to become the next major power in the World than China.

well, back then, the majority of western civilization thought the earth was flat, doesnt' mean they were all idiots.

Originally posted by Robtard
You know what's really dumb... Saying "Not believing in Evolution = Stupid Person" as a rule.

I consider aggravated homosexual assault to be funny.

Originally posted by FeceMan
I consider aggravated homosexual assault to be funny.

Is homosexual modifying aggravated or assault?

Originally posted by Adam_PoE
Is homosexual modifying aggravated or assault?

You bring up an interesting point.

*Ponders.*

It modifies "assault," but I find the possibility of its modifying "homosexual" humorous.

Also...

Breaking news: The U.S. lags behind the rest of the world in the grasp of the English language.

If you don't give a sh!t, does that count as not accepting it as well?

Originally posted by botankus
If you don't give a sh!t, does that count as not accepting it as well?

you have no interest in truth?

Call me selfish, but even if it's true or not, I have other interests and spend very little time contemplating this matter. So therefore, if whoever conducted this poll were to survey me, they would probably mark me down as not accepting it.

P.S. What the hell is the "US Lage?" I'm guessing it's either "Lags" or referring to the Luge Team, which is behind the world.