Acknowledgement/Recognition of God/The Presence/TOAA...

Originally posted by Endless Mike
In Lucifer he meets the Presence

But rather Vertigo's version of God, [Yahweh].

Thanos u realize that everything during there talk was to try to get Lucifer to rejoin with yhwh/the presence right? 😑

Others are the Lords of Order and The Word

Thanks for your input fellas.

Originally posted by kevdude
Thanos u realize that everything during there talk was to try to get Lucifer to rejoin with yhwh/the presence right? 😑

Others are the Lords of Order and The Word

Presence: True, I'm inifnite and eternal but even I was shaped by forces external to me. You know what they are.

It seems like you're overlooking the inner depht

Originally posted by Thanos_THOTU
Presence: True, I'm inifnite and eternal but even I was shaped by forces external to me. You know what they are.

It seems like you're overlooking the inner depht

That was Vertigo's God, [Yahweh], not the Presence from the mainstream DCU. 🙄

Originally posted by Galan007
You talk about things you know nothing about.

That was Vertigo's God, [Yahweh], not the Presence from the mainstream DCU. 🙄

Originally posted by Thanos_THOTU
I never said it was ... 🙄

Since he's not usually referred to as such in the Vertigo titles, I'm sure you can see how someone might assume you were talking about the Presence from the mainstream DCU. doped

Originally posted by Galan007
You referred to Yahweh as the Presence..

Since he was never referred to as such in the Vertigo titles, I'm sure you can see how someone might assume you were talking about the Presence from the mainstream DCU. doped

http://forums.narutofan.com/showpost.php?p=7423553&postcount=252

Originally posted by Thanos_THOTU
Oh yes but he have been refered to as the Presence in Vertigo as well.

Yahweh in Vertigo, and the Presence in DC are 2 separate entities, [regardless of what Yahweh was referred to a few times in a Lucifer comic]. 🙄

DC's Presence and Marvel's TOAA is who this thread is mainly dedicated to.

Yes, but you said that he'd never been refered to as Presence, obviously you were mistaken.

Originally posted by Thanos_THOTU
Yes, but you said that he'd never been refered to as Presence, obviously you were mistaken.

Let's look at any DC related thread you post in. 😉

Kthxbye.. doped

Originally posted by Galan007
You want to see mistaken?

Let's look at any DC related thread you post in. 😉

Kthxbye.. doped

Originally posted by Thanos_THOTU
Nice way to cover it up ... Did I hit a nerve? 😉

I just think it's amusing that you of all people would talk about someone else being mistaken, lol.

Anyhow,

This has gone way off topic.

Both Odin and Thor have acknowledged the Judeo-Christian God, and as far superior to themselves.

I remember PC Earth 2 Wonder Woman in Crisis on Two Earths proclaiming (on mention of the New Gods) that she only knows of the Gods of Olympus and the One "True" God or something like that.

JLA: Heaven's Ladder (Spoilers ahead) had an alien race collecting different belief systems and holding multiple worlds on a gigantic chain so they could formulate their own faith from looking at the range of interplanetary beliefs. A representative who most accurately represented understanding or faith of that planet was chosen to be part of the system that would make up their hybrid belief in preparation for death.

At the same time Batman is investigating a murder and the presence of an umberella and book by the victim makes Batman think that the Penguin is most likely the murderer. A philosophy student from Earth is chosen by the aliens. Whilst the other JLA members help the alien race, a virus enters their system. Batman discovers that the murdered victim was carrying a Bible with his umberella (he was a missionary) and was in fact the true representative for Earth. The philosophy student was the virus. The reveal is too late and the virus enters the system.

So the alien race accidentally create Satan and the JLA are forced to defeat him.

The entire story never addresses a God directly and initial reading of the story might even suggest and atheistic approach to the storyline, that beliefs are merely constructions. However JLA: Heaven's Ladder could also be read as an analogy for the Biblical story of the fall of man, thus suggesting a God within the DCU, albeit a very different God from Judeo-Christian beliefs.

Well, the Preacher and DC "God" is actually kind of, well, almost what some people might call a blasphemous portrayal. Comics are kind of insensitive to real-life religious beliefs, making God either weaker than mortals, or an insane cannibal, or someone that can be easily overthrown by a rebel villain. It's actually tiresome to me, believe it or not, personally...in the end, it all depends on the writers and how THEY choose to portray God.

I see the Marvel God as this: The writer itself. When someone asks if the evil crazy villain can "overthrow" God, I kind of just think to myself, well, can anything written by the writer "overthrow" the writer? Well, of course not. The One-Above-All is the Supreme Being in the Marvel Multiverse, but the references to him are somewhat vague. He IS a confirmed character, though, in the Handbooks.

And, yes, the Tribunal HAS mentioned Him numerous times, and by other characters as well. For all intents and purposes, though there will always be some people who might possibly argue this, TOAA is the "God" of Abrahamic religions. Thanos, in The End, after gaining power enough to wipe out the Tribunal (thus only from ONE possible source), was literally using terms such as "Lord Almighty" and "divine authority" and he, Eternity, and Warlock were using the capital "He". I strongly doubt this refers to just any cosmic entity or mythological deity...

I am, however, somewhat curious. Did anywhere the Tribunal mention EXPLICITLY say something like, "I serve the One-Above-All?"