Darth Revan/ Darth Nihilus....Who are they?

Most sith have the same basic qualities-mystery,red sabers,henchmen,dark robes.
But each characters have qualities that set them apart. Nihiulus has his "langauge",being a wound, the way he holds his ship together,basically mind control over his crew,past that involves war, his hunger and his his character. (being the fact that he would turn on the sith and kill them too). He is pretty original, you can't name any character who has the same qualities as Nihilus. Hence if no other character is similar then he is original.

Way to miss the point. I guess your far to involved in the allure of CGI battles and villains to really view him objectively. Good for you. At least your not as cynical as me.

Originally posted by Darth Hord
Most sith have the same basic qualities-mystery,red sabers,henchmen,dark robes.
But each characters have qualities that set them apart. Nihiulus has his "langauge",being a wound, the way he holds his ship together,basically mind control over his crew,past that involves war, his hunger and his his character. (being the fact that he would turn on the sith and kill them too). He is pretty original, you can't name any character who has the same qualities as Nihilus. Hence if no other character is similar then he is original.

Yeah. No Sith Lord would be seen dead in something concealing their face. Darth Vader, Revan...

Originally posted by exanda kane
Yeah. No Sith Lord would be seen dead in something concealing their face. Darth Vader, Revan...

I am viewing him objectively the facts are no sith that we know of talk like him,none control the ship the way he does, he crew are basically zombies, none are wounds in the force,his hunger is very unique concept. The fact is it is a matter of opinion if you to call the things that make him original cheap innovations or novelties.

Aww, well at least your not going to debate it 🙂

Originally posted by Violent2Dope
Yeah just cause he wears what the majority of Sith wear doesn't make him unoriginal. And I can't believe you didn't mention his mask.

I didn't mention the mask because others have it such as vader and Revan. The difference would be we know who Vader is behind the mask and what he looks like. We know that Revan is still Revan. But with Nihilus we still have no definite answer as to he he really is.

Originally posted by Darth Hord
I am viewing him objectively the facts are no sith that we know of talk like him,none control the ship the way he does, he crew are basically zombies, none are wounds in the force,his hunger is very unique concept. The fact is it is a matter of opinion if you to call the things that make him original cheap innovations or novelties.

Small aesthetic differences and magical abilities are not original. They are completely predictable; you can just picture the KOTOR writers figuring ways to make their new villains slightly different than those before, attempting to revive the formula in new ways but keeping the bits that worked, and typical of Star Wars, going for a completely superficial reinvention. It's all on the outside.

I'm not going to continue to argue the originality behind Nihilus because it is simply a matter of opinion. And it is quite obvious that we have different opinions on this subject. So all we would accomplish is just getting into an argument which would be pointless because the question of originality is opinion based.I'm just gonna leave it at that.

But I would like to hear if anyone else thinks is Nihilus is oirginal character or not.

Originally posted by Darth Hord
But I would like to hear if anyone else thinks is Nihilus is oirginal character or not. [/B]

All I'm going to hear is "He has a FORze WOUNDED" and "HE HAV MASKAS skulz6" et cetera, et cetera. Your focusing on the superficial changes, the aesthetic changes, while I'm focusing on the characters themselves. All I see is a dark, brooding villain with a lazer sword. These aesthetic changes do not give him another dimension, do not give us any indication of his personality and do not give the character originality.

It's much the same way as Darth Maul's Lightsaber, one of the main selling points of TPM, a completely superficial change, a prop used to spark interest on the outside. Is Maul original? Hell no. But then I guess, all I would hear would be "He hazz3L Tat00"...

Well I guess that the only original Sith would be Sidious.

If you wan to talk about personality how about his hunger? He single handedly massacred an entire planet and allowed the only survivor Visas alive and showe his way of thinking. What about for the fact the he unlike any other sith as Kreia says here:"He cares nothing for the Sith or its teachings… or the Jedi. And when the Jedi are dead, he will feed on the galaxy, the Republic, and eventually, consume the Sith as well."
All he cared about was feeding his hunger and saw the only purpose of life was to die.
I'm not going to get into Maul because he really has nothing to do hear. Plus I'm not I don't have an extensive eu knowledge about maul as others who would would say Maul is original. Which again a matter of opinion.

Originally posted by Darth Hord
If you wan to talk about personality how about his hunger? He single handedly massacred an entire planet and allowed the only survivor Visas alive and showe his way of thinking. What about for the fact the he unlike any other sith as Kreia says here:"He cares nothing for the Sith or its teachings… or the Jedi. And when the Jedi are dead, he will feed on the galaxy, the Republic, and eventually, consume the Sith as well."
All he cared about was feeding his hunger and saw the only purpose of life was to die.

Yes, he is even less of an original character here, taking scraps off of others to survive, scavenging; which ironically is exactly what the writers are doing these days. Scraping the barrel for more ideas.

If he can devour planets, if he must subdue his hunger, if he can massacre innocents with the blink of an eye, then why the need for the Sith Lord garb? Surely, with "characters traits" and (gosh!) "personality" like that, he doesn't need to cling onto those dark cloaks?

Nihilus needs to adhere to the cliche Sith garb because, like his own primal hunger, he needs to live off another idea, and the idea here is a well worn but succesful formula. He exploits the role, a stereotype. Nihilus is unoriginal.

He clearly doe not think like anyone else. He sees the purpose of life is to die. He does not care for the sith. He will turn on them too but not unlike other sith who kill each other he does it so he can feed on them.While most sith want to rule the galaxy and all life in it. He wants to destroy life. There is no point in this debate because no matter what anyone says you will not change your opinion.And maybe he wears the cloak and cape is so he does not want anyone to see who or what he is.

Maybe because no one has offered any substantial argument against mine?

Or perhaps I'm simply completely correct.

EDIT: Actually, re-reading your last post - Jesus, have you not got ANY valid points? Have we not got past the aesthetic elements of Nihilus yet? I thought we'd passed that with my first post.

My posts do tell you about his character,what he sees is the purpose of life,and how he views the sith/jedi.No matter what we say you still think the same so this debate is pointless, I say he is original, and you say he is not we are not going to convince the other to think otherwise so just end it.

Your posts simply say "He has Force Hunger", "He is hungry", "He controls a ship". That's not personality. His hunger is a neccesity, a flaw , an excuse for the writers to make a dangerous villain.

What does controlling a ship and crew with his mind tell us about the nature of Nihilus? He likes dominating people and is powerful? How many Sith have the exact same traits?

You can only speculate on his views on the Jedi and Sith as it stands, without the fact that those views would be a belief, not part of his psyche.

All of these things are simply minor endorsements on an otherwise bland character, an attempt by the writers to create originality which fails simply because so many writers have tried it before. Remember the speculation concerning Nihilus' identity when the KOTOR 2 promo art was released? Remember who they thought he reminded them of? Yes, that is right. Revan. I wonder why.

You attempt to concede your weak points by citing it as opinion, but you insist you are correct at the same time, and do so with, as I have mentioned already, very superficial points. In essence, you are way too close to see the character at all. You see a Sith Lord with bonus, god I can't believe I'll say this, "Uber Power". I see a generic villain with a few added tricks to keep people interested. Depends if you want to see darkly or clearly.

This is what i posted about him personality wise.

He clearly doe not think like anyone else. He sees the purpose of life is to die. He does not care for the sith. He will turn on them too but not unlike other sith who kill each other he does it so he can feed on them.While most sith want to rule the galaxy and all life in it. He wants to destroy life. There is no point in this debate because no matter what anyone says you will not change your opinion.And maybe he wears the cloak and cape is so he does not want anyone to see who or what he is.

"He cares nothing for the Sith, or its teachings, and once he has destroyed the Jedi, he will turn on the Sith and consume them."

Originally posted by exanda kane
You attempt to concede your weak points by citing it as opinion, but you insist you are correct at the same time, and do so with, as I have mentioned already, very superficial points. In essence, you are way too close to see the character at all. You see a Sith Lord with bonus, god I can't believe I'll say this, "Uber Power". I see a generic villain with a few added tricks to keep people interested. Depends if you want to see darkly or clearly.

It is an opinion. I say he is very original and you say he is not. For it not to be an opinion there would have to be a canon statement to say he is not original. But since there in none it is an opinion based question.