Kyle Rayner vs Any Abstract with a twist

Kyle Rayner has been granted the ability to have Perfect Will by the Presence. With enough willpower, a GL can accomplish some insane things with what has been called the most powerful weapon in the universe...a GL Ring.

Given this perfect will, could Kyle Rayner conceivably defeat most abstract entities in either DC or Marvel? If so, whom could he defeat and whom could he not defeat?

In this battle, the Presence has not given Rayner any other uber powers...only perfect will. Kyle still has all of his other regular abilities.

I still dont know if he can beat cosmics and abstracts

So basically, he's Lucifer with a GL ring?

Could a rind theoretically put out that much power, though?
I mean, in comparison to the will he's packing.

Bran has it. The rings AREN'T unlimited. Too often we say that Lanterns are limited only by imagination and will power.

This is, partly, incorrect, however. They are also limited by the central power battery. They can't force more power through their ring than the power battery can emit.

that being said he maybe takes silver surfer

Originally posted by Jebus reborn
So basically, he's Lucifer with a GL ring?

Could a rind theoretically put out that much power, though?
I mean, in comparison to the will he's packing.

Correct, except Rayner doesn't have the other powers of Lucifer. However, the GL ring is stated to be the most powerful weapon in the DC universe. I understand that it couldn't defeat multiversal abstracts such as LT, but universal abstracts could perhaps go down....even skyfathers.

If the Oan batter could produce enough energy for the ring to do whatever...do you think Rayner could take it?

Originally posted by charlemagne9746
universal abstracts could perhaps go down....even skyfathers.

Originally posted by charlemagne9746
Correct, except Rayner doesn't have the other powers of Lucifer. However, the GL ring is stated to be the most powerful weapon in the DC universe. I understand that it couldn't defeat multiversal abstracts such as LT, but universal abstracts could perhaps go down....even skyfathers.

If the Oan batter could produce enough energy for the ring to do whatever...do you think Rayner could take it?

Assuming this is Lucifer, because I can't really see Kyle with this power (so, assume I'm talking about him anyway), he could theoretically annihilate almost anyone.

Originally posted by xmarksthespot
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I'm talking along the lines of Master Order or Lord Chaos...even Celestials. Galactus even. If Rayner can prevent any abstract from decimating him within the first picosecond...then, I think it could be possible for him to defeat many abstract beings with that kind of willpower....as long as he has an unlimited supply of energy from the Oan battery.

Originally posted by charlemagne9746
I'm talking along the lines of Master Order or Lord Chaos...even Celestials. Galactus even. If Rayner can prevent any abstract from decimating him within the first picosecond...then, I think it could be possible for him to defeat many abstract beings with that kind of willpower....as long as he has an unlimited supply of energy from the Oan battery.

Originally posted by xmarksthespot
No I just found the sentence structure odd. "Universal abstracts... even skyfathers." as if the latter were more of a challenge than the former.

lol...yes...I wasn't thinking of sentence structure. Of course, by no means are skyfathers in the same league with Abstracts.

Originally posted by xmarksthespot
No I just found the sentence structure odd. "Universal abstracts... even skyfathers." as if the latter were more of a challenge than the former.

"Universal abstracts...or at least skyfathers."

I would say there was a chance, a chance for kyle to win some big fights with the stipulation that the batteries are unlimited and his will is supreme,galactus and those in his league, i would give him a chance

Originally posted by charlemagne9746
the GL ring is stated to be the most powerful weapon in the DC universe.

Because I can think of a few things in the DCU, which are more powerful then a GL ring. 😬

its just a statement.....mostly made in GL books

Originally posted by Blair Wind
its just a statement.....mostly made in GL books

Originally posted by Galan007
Who said that?

Because I can think of a few things in the DCU, which are more powerful then a GL ring. 😬

Meh, it's gotten spammed all over the place once or twice. :-\.

Even if there ARE more powerful artifacts/weapons lying around.

Originally posted by Soljer
Meh, it's gotten spammed all over the place once or twice. :-\.

I'd say the furthest he'd be able to go is someone on Yugah Khan or Galactus lvl. After that, you really can't beat high tier abstracts. They are concepts and wouldn't be able to be beaten. Could you really see him beating Destruction or Dream?

he would be able to beat most "gods" no abstracts. and some celestial beings (celestials, stranger, eon, Tyrant,)