I kinda agree with some of the sentiments in this thread
I dont beleive Annihilus can beat quasar..but they wanted him dead and annihilus was the focus of the story
i think annihilus was at a greater than normal power display,i dont even think he used the quantum bands much..he would have been blown up without the "metomorphic right of passage"
but if they are consistant with annihlius from this point on we have to give him props
BTW the new quasar's quantum bands look ugly...i hope they give her the " right of passage" so she can use them properly
actually i would rather wendal back but oh well
BRB for the win..without the bands brb for majority
with bands he should blow himself up trying to use them...so i go with brb
Originally posted by nimbus006Or maybe Annihilus has always had that type of power,
Maybe he just learned how to harness/control his (equivalent to power cosmic powers; forgot what its called) powers more effectively since he last faced the F4.
But since we got to see him more then usual in this arc, a greater array of the power he already possessed was displayed to us.
srug
Originally posted by Galan007
Or maybe Annihilus has always had that type of power,But since we got to see him more then usual in this arc, a greater array of the power he already possessed was displayed to us.
srug
Or that...lol, Although i dont ever remember him referring to that negative zone power cosmic prior to Annihilation... i could be wrong
Originally posted by nimbus006
I was referrring to the addition of the q-bands along with a subtle increase in his normal power level without them.
with the qbands for sure he was powered up. i agree he may have had a subtle increase in personal power -- i think the best example of it is ravenous, who seemed very powerful in his own right. but i like galan's idea of the sharper focus on him making him seem more powerful.
annihilus's cosmic control rod was always a major league weapon and a big focus in other arcs, and he's even done some minor matter manip with it. he's always been in the herald category of overall power so taking out quasar is impressive, but not TOO far above someone who has taken out thor. 😬 btw, was the battle with quasar actually shown in a book somewhere?
Originally posted by leonidas
with the qbands for sure he was powered up. i agree he may have had a subtle increase in personal power -- i think the best example of it is ravenous, who seemed very powerful in his own right. but i like galan's idea of the sharper focus on him making him seem more powerful.annihilus's cosmic control rod was always a major league weapon and a big focus in other arcs, and he's even done some minor matter manip with it. he's always been in the herald category of overall power so taking out quasar is impressive, but not TOO far above someone who has taken out thor. 😬 btw, was the battle with quasar actually shown in a book somewhere?
Yes Quasar and Nova took a desperate chance at attacking Annihilus directly and it looked to me quasar died trying to protect nova
quasar and nova bust thru the ship confront annihilus and nova gets one shotted and quasar tries to protect them and annihilus drains him and kills him...off the top of my head
Nova #3 i think or 4 of the annihilation preludes i think
BTW i would not have reconized quasar if they did not call his name...new costume and lame use of his powers
Originally posted by starlock
Yes Quasar and Nova took a desperate chance at attacking Annihilus directly and it looked to me quasar died trying to protect novaquasar and nova bust thru the ship confront annihilus and nova gets one shotted and quasar tries to protect them and annihilus drains him and kills him...off the top of my head
Nova #3 i think or 4 of the annihilation preludes i think
thanks. i'll check it out. 🙂
Originally posted by leonidas
with the qbands for sure he was powered up. i agree he may have had a subtle increase in personal power -- i think the best example of it is ravenous, who seemed very powerful in his own right. but i like galan's idea of the sharper focus on him making him seem more powerful.annihilus's cosmic control rod was always a major league weapon and a big focus in other arcs, and he's even done some minor matter manip with it. he's always been in the herald category of overall power so taking out quasar is impressive, but not TOO far above someone who has taken out thor. 😬 btw, was the battle with quasar actually shown in a book somewhere?
Yea thats pretty accurate. Its in the Annihilation: Nova mini
Originally posted by nimbus006
Annihilus with Quantum bands is much higher than your avergage herald. He killed Quasar before he had the bands. Put it this way, Ravenous is a bit higher than your average Herald (i.e Airwalker), and Ravenous serves Annihilus. Why would he serve someone less poweful than him?P.S I do agree that Annihilus did get a ridicuous upgrade for Annihilation.
debateable. ravenous had his ass handed to him by SS (albeit after Galactus upgraded his power). Throughout the whole series, Nova kept saying how only the heralds had the power to match ravenous and the centurions. this is even after Nova received the entire nova force and worldmind.
Obviously nova defeats annihilus, but given the circumstances I don't think we can safely say with certainty that annihilus with q-bands is way above herald level, as he was beaten by nova, who in turn admitted he essentially was less powerful than firelord, stardust, SS, etc. I know nova defeated annihilus only after ground zero of Galactus' attack, however nova also survived, so we may imply he was also somewhat weak.
Originally posted by Tenebrous
debateable. ravenous had his ass handed to him by SS (albeit after Galactus upgraded his power). Throughout the whole series, Nova kept saying how only the heralds had the power to match ravenous and the centurions. this is even after Nova received the entire nova force and worldmind.Obviously nova defeats annihilus, but given the circumstances I don't think we can safely say with certainty that annihilus with q-bands is way above herald level, as he was beaten by nova, who in turn admitted he essentially was less powerful than firelord, stardust, SS, etc. I know nova defeated annihilus only after ground zero of Galactus' attack, however nova also survived, so we may imply he was also somewhat weak.
that's actually a fair point. because both were written as being weakened it does sorta make the battle hard to use as reference imo. and nova had a little help as well, didn't he?
When has Annihilus ever drained high heralds before?
The Gideon Foundation guys, shot him a lot and then restraint him. Not entirely sure why he wasn't able to break loose but they were using some sort of special technology. They had TONS of preparation though, it's not like they suddenly faced off against him. In a fair fight they'd be dead.
Annihilus has always been strong, but I've never pictured him as someone who's above class 90/100. When he was able to almost one shot Nova and physically restrain Quasar I was shocked. I don't mind him getting a powerup, I think it's more than fair. I just wish they could've mentioned it.
Originally posted by llagrok
When has Annihilus ever drained high heralds before?The Gideon Foundation guys, shot him a lot and then restraint him. Not entirely sure why he wasn't able to break loose but they were using some sort of special technology. They had TONS of preparation though, it's not like they suddenly faced off against him. In a fair fight they'd be dead.
Annihilus has always been strong, but I've never pictured him as someone who's above class 90/100. When he was able to almost one shot Nova and physically restrain Quasar I was shocked. I don't mind him getting a powerup, I think it's more than fair. I just wish they could've mentioned it.
i've always seen him as a team-wrecker-level villain. i wouldn't have put it past him to be able to drain someone like quasar with the cosmic control rod. he's usually beaten by some plot device type ending so to see him getting his due is fine with me.
i agree with you that he was powered-up slightly, but again, not unbelieveably so, imo, and it was probably warranted in his case. he's always been a good villain who needed a little air time. 🙂
Originally posted by TenebrousActually Annil wasn't defeated by Nova, through sheer power, so that point irrelevant.
debateable. ravenous had his ass handed to him by SS (albeit after Galactus upgraded his power). Throughout the whole series, Nova kept saying how only the heralds had the power to match ravenous and the centurions. this is even after Nova received the entire nova force and worldmind.Obviously nova defeats annihilus, but given the circumstances I don't think we can safely say with certainty that annihilus with q-bands is way above herald level, as he was beaten by nova, who in turn admitted he essentially was less powerful than firelord, stardust, SS, etc. I know nova defeated annihilus only after ground zero of Galactus' attack, however nova also survived, so we may imply he was also somewhat weak.
As shown, in the battle, Nova could do shit to him.
Do you really think Nova could have taken him down, without ripping out his throat?
I don't, and that's why I liked the way the battle was portrayed.
Also, Nova put up a shield, and I think Phylla did as well, and they were quite a bit farther back.
Originally posted by llagrokSo basically, in your opinion, an entire characters history, should be judged on one low showing?
When has Annihilus ever drained high heralds before?The Gideon Foundation guys, shot him a lot and then restraint him. Not entirely sure why he wasn't able to break loose but they were using some sort of special technology. They had TONS of preparation though, it's not like they suddenly faced off against him. In a fair fight they'd be dead.
Annihilus has always been strong, but I've never pictured him as someone who's above class 90/100. When he was able to almost one shot Nova and physically restrain Quasar I was shocked. I don't mind him getting a powerup, I think it's more than fair. I just wish they could've mentioned it.
What other class 90 has done this to Thing, and IW?
http://img204.imageshack.us/img204/5797/page18wp9.jpg
http://img207.imageshack.us/img207/340/page19xi7.jpg
Notice Thing's hide.
Also, Leo, if you still want to see it, here is Annil taking out Quaser, and fighting Nova.
Originally posted by leonidasThanks.
thanks bran. and very good points. i agree with you 100% about both the nova battle and annihilus's power BEFORE the mini-series. 🙂
Originally posted by llagrokIt looks like he gets both...
Does he get the quantum bands AND the cosmic rod? Or just the bands?If he truly is that strong, he wouldn't have been afraid to attack Thanos.
Thanos gave him tech, Thanos gave him Galactus, and Surfer.
I'm not going to comment on powers, because I'm still undecided myself, but I'll just give those explanations.
Originally posted by Jebus reborn
Thanks.It looks like he gets both...
Thanos gave him tech, Thanos gave him Galactus, and Surfer.
I'm not going to comment on powers, because I'm still undecided myself, but I'll just give those explanations.
Yeah okay, Thanos was useful to Annihilus. I'm not going to deny that, but if you're trying to imply that Annihilus would beat Thanos....
If Annihilus gets both he wins, if he only gets the bands then he should lose. Without the cosmic rod he's pretty much a class 90/100 with the quantum bands. I don't think that's enough to take down Thor's equal.
Originally posted by llagrokI said I'm undecided about Annihilus and Thanos, in Annihilation.
Yeah okay, Thanos was useful to Annihilus. I'm not going to deny that, but if you're trying to imply that Annihilus would beat Thanos....If Annihilus gets both he wins, if he only gets the bands then he should lose. Without the cosmic rod he's pretty much a class 90/100 with the quantum bands. I don't think that's enough to take down Thor's equal.
Without the Rod, he managed to crack Thing's hide, and punch through IW's shield like nothing...
I'm not saying he could beat Beta, but a class 90? Ya right.
Originally posted by Jebus reborn
I said I'm undecided about Annihilus and Thanos, in Annihilation.
I gave the useful thing out, because that could be a reason he idn't attack him.Without the Rod, he managed to crack Thing's hide, and punch through IW's shield like nothing...
I'm not saying he could beat Beta, but a class 90? Ya right.
You're taking the "crack Thing's hide" thing a bit too seriously. It was a couple of scraps that went off, hardly anything. Super Skrull went through IW's shield, is he a class 100 as well now?
